Nonduality is not a Religion

[Age]

But the WORDS "it is not a concept" just DID explain AND describe 'it', as was just PROVEN True here.

NO AGE..it doesn't work like that okay?

No it is NOT okay.

IF words CAN explain AND describe things, then 'it' DOES work EXACTLY like that.

The finger pointing to the moon is not the moon.

Obviously, AND NOTHING whatsoever to do with this.

Nonduality is this immediate direct experience, that CANNOT be conceptualised.

But 'nonduality' has ALREADY immediately been directly experienced, and from this experience, IS NOW KNOWN, and thus ALSO conceptualized.

So, saying that this CANNOT be conceptualized, when it ALREADY has been and IS conceptualized, leads to what the actual Truth of things IS

ALL-OF-THIS CAN also BE very easily expressed and explained IN and WITH WORDS.

The divine beautiful paradox here..is that (no word can describe ''WHAT IS'' ) OR every word describes ''WHAT IS''

Therefore, WORDS CAN and DO describe things.

The very PURPOSE of words is to describe AND explain things.

...NETI NETI

More WORDS to describe AND explain things?

So, WORDS are EXACTLY what explains AND describe ALL things.

Now try to descibe nonduality without using concepts.

This is just like saying, Now try to say some thing without using words. This is another prime example of the brain using a trickery of words 'trying to' deceive, and hide the actual Truth of things.

Nonduality is this immediate direct experience, it cannot be conceptualised.

But 'nonduality' can VERY easy be conceptualized AND KNOWN.

To ASSUME any thing is just plain STUPID.

The moon represents the true mind.

HOW EXACTLY?

To me, the 'moon' represents itself, that is the 'moon'.

The True Mind, like the moon, is just Its Self.

The Dharma which is spoken is the finger.

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Are 'you' 'trying to' describe AND define things with WORDS AGAIN, here?

If no, okay?

If yes, then WHY?

WHY the consistent 'trying', with the use of WORDS to TELL us, again with WORDS, that WORDS can NOT be used to describe and explain things.

The absurdity and ridiculous, and COMPLETE waste of time, of PERSISTING to use WORDS to EXPLAIN to us that WORDS can NOT be used to EXPLAIN things, to people, IS so blindingly OBVIOUS, to me. I wonder WHY 'you', "dontaskme" can NOT SEE this AlSO?

“It is like the finger pointing to the moon…”

Where did this imagery originally come from?

From actual WORDS.

It comes from the Shurangama Sutra, a core text for Zen/Chan Buddhist training, where the Buddha wanted to point out where Ananda’s real mind (the True Mind) was to him.

So in this “Finger to the moon” analogy, the Buddha explained that:

So, 'you' AGREE it comes from 'text', which is made up of WORDS, correct?

Imagine someone is trying to show you the moon by pointing to it:

Okay.

Your True Mind is the Moon (naturally bright, i.e., has enlightenment naturally)

But the moon is NOT naturally bright at all. In fact, If the sun did not shine, then the moon would be quite dark actually.

There is NO 'your' True Mind. But there is A True Mind.

There is, by the way, a 'self', which is what most adult human beings THINK or BELIEVE they are, which is NOT any 'self' in the True sense. But there is an actual True Self.

The Finger is the Teachings (dark, i.e., lacks enlightenment)

To me, a finger is A finger. And, teachings ARE teachings. A pointing finger might be suggesting to some one to LOOK AT a particular thing, to SEE a particular thing, and/or to be AWARE of some thing. But, without WORDS, just pointing is NOT actually teaching any thing.

The Finger points directly to the Moon – so that you can see the moon for yourself – directly.

But it is the eyes that is so 'you' can see the moon, for "yourself".

A finger pointing directly to the moon, might be indicating which way to direct the eyes and the seeing. But, again, without WORDS, NOTHING is actually BEING TAUGHT.

Similarly, the Buddha’s Teachings point directly to your True Mind (your Buddha Nature).

But WHY just 'point'?

WHY NOT actually just TEACH? And, WHY NOT just TEACH with WORDS?

Using WORDS makes TEACHING so much MORE simpler AND easier.

Also, have 'you' NOTICED that in 'your' human being days of living, hitherto, when this is written, NOT one of 'you' adult human beings ACTUALLY KNOWS what the True Mind IS YET?

Buddha's so called "teachings" are OBVIOUSLY FAILING, tremendously.

With those fingers/teachings can 'you' now SEE the True Mind?

IF no, then okay.

If yes, then what do 'you' SEE the True Mind IS ACTUALLY?

By the way, the True Mind can very easily be defined, described, AND explained, also very simply IN and WITH WORDS.

If someone points to the moon – don’t just look at the finger –

Okay. But if I LOOK AT the 'moon', then what I SEE IS thee moon.

because:

You’ll miss the moon

This makes sense, and is good advice.

But MOST adult human beings KNOW to NOT look at the finger but rather what the finger is pointing AT, anyway.

By the way, and 'you' may NOT be interested at all, but the human animal is supposedly the ONLY animal that KNOWS what pointing means and KNOWS to LOOK AT what is being pointed AT, and NOT to look only at the fingers.

You think the finger is the moon

But I would NOT think that at all.

WHY would 'you' THINK 'that'?

You don’t know what is naturally bright (has enlightenment) vs what is naturally dark (lacks enlightenment)

But 'you' are the one INSISTING that the fingers/words can ONLY point, and NOT reveal things.

The ONLY way to "know" these things is BY and THROUGH WORDS. Just pointing fingers WILL NEVER reveal what is being thought, within another human body, and what is WANTING to be TAUGHT and LEARNED.

But here 'you' are 'trying' your hardest to reveal, explain, AND describe things IN and WITH WORDS.

Teachings (Dharma) point directly to your True Mind –

But I thought you just said, with WORDS, fingers point to the moon/True Mind.

What are the supposed ACTUAL "teachings".

Is saying, "the moon is the True Mind", the ONLY actual "teaching" (dharma)?

Would it NOT just be so much easier AND simpler to just explain what the True Mind actually IS, with WORDS, and DEFINITIONS, using WORDS again?

don’t just look at the teachings – in your mind training/meditation – reflect upon your mind and USE the teachings to see where the teachings are pointing to – so that you can see your own real Mind for yourself (which is naturally radiant because it is naturally endowed with its own enlightenment)

But 'you' are the one is NOT using thee Truly OPEN Mind here. What 'you' are using is the words/teachings FROM "others".

Do 'you' remember that it is 'I', the True Self, telling 'you', human beings, that 'you' have NO mind, but there is only One True (or Truly OPEN) Mind?

Also, have 'you' NOTICED how it is human beings who keep telling Me that there are MANY "minds"?

But it is these SAME human beings who are STILL 'trying to' to work out what the Mind IS and the Truth of things.

What is MORE LIKELY to be the True Mind? The one that each adult human beings insists that they have, or just One Mind, which is Truly OPEN ALWAYS?

....Age you really need to stop being ABSURD thinking and believing IT IS POSSIBLE to speak from the ABSOLUTE perspective.

Firstly, I do NOT believe any such thing.

But WHY do I "really need to stop thinking IT IS POSSIBLE to speak from a particular perspective? I KNOW HOW to do do it, so WHY would I just STOP KNOWING?

WHY is it IMPORTANT for 'you' that I will just "give up"?

Also, YET here 'you' are BELIEVING 'you' KNOW the Truth from the ABSOLUTE perspective, and are 'trying' your damn hardest to speak about the ABSOLUTE.

Why does what I am doing REALLY annoy you and disturb you so much?

Does 'your' WANT to be RIGHT have such that tight a grip on 'you'?

When all truths are relative, and when ALL relative truths regarding the ABSOLUTE are ABSURD.

Because when 'you' learn the Truth about absolutes AND relatives, then 'you' will be able to decipher things so that 'you' can LOOK AT and SEE things FROM the OBJECTIVE view of things and NOT solely from the SUBJECTIVE view of things, like 'you' do now, in the days of when this is written.

By the way, there is One relative Truth of things, which contains thee ABSOLUTE Truth of things.

The only real truth is there isn't one that can be known.

LOL

Whenever 'you', human beings, are going to 'try' AND express a supposed absolute Truth, like 'you' are here, but within that "truth" it contains a contradiction, just like it does here, then OBVIOUSLY it is NOT a 'real truth' at all.

So, according to 'you', "dontaskme", the ONLY 'real truth' IS "there is NOT one", this IS about as absurd AND contradictory in and of itself as a statement can get. BUT, to then add, that there is NOT even a 'real truth', which can be KNOWN, is EVEN MORE absurd AND contradictory, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING that 'you' have just made out that 'you' KNOW what the ONLY 'real truth' IS.

Not knowing is the only real truth.

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Saying, "Not knowing is the only real truth", says AND means absolutely NOTHING at all.

Also, this is the SECOND, "ONLY" 'real truth', which you have just posed in just two consecutive sentences.

[roydop]

Nonduality is thought free Awareness. It's a state, not a concept.

So Ramana Maharshi teaches to: "Be rid of current thoughts" and no one does it.

And Age blathers on and on about how simple all this is to conceptualize while being unable to abide in/as effortless thought free Awareness.

Considering what 'one' is EXACTLY, then how do 'you' propose it is possible to "be rid of current thoughts"?

What will replace the "current" thoughts?

ALL-OF-THIS is Truly EASY and SIMPLE to UNDERSTAND and REASON. But, OBVIOUSLY, the ONLY way to express this is THROUGH THOUGHTS.

If the "current" thoughts are OF thee actual Truth of ALL-OF-THIS, then the idea is to get rid of those "current thoughts", then that would obviously be a TOTALLY illogical AND ridiculous idea.

To obtain the KNOWLEDGE of thee actual Truth of ALL-OF-THIS happens almost instantaneously. Remaining OPEN, as in NOT LOOKING nor SEEING from previously gained thoughts is HOW thee actual Truth of things is KNOWN to be True, and NOT thought to be true. So, BEING in this state of thought free Awareness is ALL that is NEEDED to learn, SEE, and understand thee actual Truth of ALL-OF-THIS, which come in parts. REMAINING OPEN allows ALL the parts of ALL-OF-THIS to come.

There is ALSO another way that 'thought free Awareness' EXISTS, and that is by just STOP thinking, altogether. All this does is SHOW what living in/with True Bliss feels like. Only a few seconds are NEEDED to experience, and WANT this.

'you' being a thinking human being and just NOT knowing what is actually True unless 'you' are learning from "others", and following their teachings, just SHOWS that 'you' can NOT even do what 'you' are preaching and telling "others" to do.

Also, what point is there is being in/as "effortless thought free Awareness", NO thinking state?

If 'you' do NOT KNOW what the actual Truth of things is YET, then just NOT thinking will NOT show 'you' any thing further.

"If the "current" thoughts are OF thee actual Truth of ALL-OF-THIS, then the idea is to get rid of those "current thoughts", then that would obviously be a TOTALLY illogical AND ridiculous idea."

THE TRUTH IS NOT WITHIN THOUGHT. Thought is exactly NOT Truth. If one is thinking about OF something, they are not being that something. So while thinking of Truth one is not being Truth.

Throw away everything you know and just be still (in mind).

[Age]

Nonduality is thought free Awareness. It's a state, not a concept.

So Ramana Maharshi teaches to: "Be rid of current thoughts" and no one does it.

And Age blathers on and on about how simple all this is to conceptualize while being unable to abide in/as effortless thought free Awareness.

Considering what 'one' is EXACTLY, then how do 'you' propose it is possible to "be rid of current thoughts"?

What will replace the "current" thoughts?

ALL-OF-THIS is Truly EASY and SIMPLE to UNDERSTAND and REASON. But, OBVIOUSLY, the ONLY way to express this is THROUGH THOUGHTS.

If the "current" thoughts are OF thee actual Truth of ALL-OF-THIS, then the idea is to get rid of those "current thoughts", then that would obviously be a TOTALLY illogical AND ridiculous idea.

To obtain the KNOWLEDGE of thee actual Truth of ALL-OF-THIS happens almost instantaneously. Remaining OPEN, as in NOT LOOKING nor SEEING from previously gained thoughts is HOW thee actual Truth of things is KNOWN to be True, and NOT thought to be true. So, BEING in this state of thought free Awareness is ALL that is NEEDED to learn, SEE, and understand thee actual Truth of ALL-OF-THIS, which come in parts. REMAINING OPEN allows ALL the parts of ALL-OF-THIS to come.

There is ALSO another way that 'thought free Awareness' EXISTS, and that is by just STOP thinking, altogether. All this does is SHOW what living in/with True Bliss feels like. Only a few seconds are NEEDED to experience, and WANT this.

'you' being a thinking human being and just NOT knowing what is actually True unless 'you' are learning from "others", and following their teachings, just SHOWS that 'you' can NOT even do what 'you' are preaching and telling "others" to do.

Also, what point is there is being in/as "effortless thought free Awareness", NO thinking state?

If 'you' do NOT KNOW what the actual Truth of things is YET, then just NOT thinking will NOT show 'you' any thing further.

"If the "current" thoughts are OF thee actual Truth of ALL-OF-THIS, then the idea is to get rid of those "current thoughts", then that would obviously be a TOTALLY illogical AND ridiculous idea."

THE TRUTH IS NOT WITHIN THOUGHT.

What does the word 'thought' actually mean to 'you'?

If the Truth is NOT within 'thought', then where is It?

Also, can the Truth NOT be in 'thought' but eventually become within or a part of 'thoughts'?

Thought is exactly NOT Truth.

Obviously one thing is NOT another thing.

If one is thinking about OF something, they are not being that something.

If one is NOT thinking, then they are also NOT being any thing that they are NOT.

IF one is thinking about OF some thing, or NOT, then they are also NOT being that something.

Is it even possible for one thing to be some thing "else" anyway?

If yes, then HOW?

So while thinking of Truth one is not being Truth.

And, while NOT thinking of Truth one is ALSO not being Truth, as well.

OBVIOUSLY, ONLY Truth is Truth.

I NEVER thought that this would NEED to be explained.

Throw away everything you know and just be still (in mind).

What is mind, in which one can be still IN?

Also, what is the purpose of just remaining STILL?

And, is it even possible to be STILL?

If yes, then this infers that CHANGE can be STOPPED, and the Universe does NOT STOP.

By the way, are 'you' at all Aware that what 'you' are 'trying to' explain here can be explained in very easy and very simple to understand terms?

[Dontaskme]

But 'nonduality' can VERY easy be conceptualized AND KNOWN.

NO, Nonduality CANNOT be conceptualised, because it would need a conceptualiser, which is also a concept KNOWN.

That which is KNOWN cannot know anything, for one very good reason, because a KNOWN must have a source.



Test this for yourself ..ask yourself by conceptualising the following question... where does A SOURCE begin and end? can A SOURCE be seen known ?

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[roydop]

Considering what 'one' is EXACTLY, then how do 'you' propose it is possible to "be rid of current thoughts"?

What will replace the "current" thoughts?

ALL-OF-THIS is Truly EASY and SIMPLE to UNDERSTAND and REASON. But, OBVIOUSLY, the ONLY way to express this is THROUGH THOUGHTS.

If the "current" thoughts are OF thee actual Truth of ALL-OF-THIS, then the idea is to get rid of those "current thoughts", then that would obviously be a TOTALLY illogical AND ridiculous idea.

To obtain the KNOWLEDGE of thee actual Truth of ALL-OF-THIS happens almost instantaneously. Remaining OPEN, as in NOT LOOKING nor SEEING from previously gained thoughts is HOW thee actual Truth of things is KNOWN to be True, and NOT thought to be true. So, BEING in this state of thought free Awareness is ALL that is NEEDED to learn, SEE, and understand thee actual Truth of ALL-OF-THIS, which come in parts. REMAINING OPEN allows ALL the parts of ALL-OF-THIS to come.

There is ALSO another way that 'thought free Awareness' EXISTS, and that is by just STOP thinking, altogether. All this does is SHOW what living in/with True Bliss feels like. Only a few seconds are NEEDED to experience, and WANT this.

'you' being a thinking human being and just NOT knowing what is actually True unless 'you' are learning from "others", and following their teachings, just SHOWS that 'you' can NOT even do what 'you' are preaching and telling "others" to do.

Also, what point is there is being in/as "effortless thought free Awareness", NO thinking state?

If 'you' do NOT KNOW what the actual Truth of things is YET, then just NOT thinking will NOT show 'you' any thing further.

"If the "current" thoughts are OF thee actual Truth of ALL-OF-THIS, then the idea is to get rid of those "current thoughts", then that would obviously be a TOTALLY illogical AND ridiculous idea."

THE TRUTH IS NOT WITHIN THOUGHT.

What does the word 'thought' actually mean to 'you'?

If the Truth is NOT within 'thought', then where is It?

Also, can the Truth NOT be in 'thought' but eventually become within or a part of 'thoughts'?

Thought is exactly NOT Truth.

Obviously one thing is NOT another thing.

If one is thinking about OF something, they are not being that something.

If one is NOT thinking, then they are also NOT being any thing that they are NOT.

IF one is thinking about OF some thing, or NOT, then they are also NOT being that something.

Is it even possible for one thing to be some thing "else" anyway?

If yes, then HOW?

So while thinking of Truth one is not being Truth.

And, while NOT thinking of Truth one is ALSO not being Truth, as well.

OBVIOUSLY, ONLY Truth is Truth.

I NEVER thought that this would NEED to be explained.

Throw away everything you know and just be still (in mind).

What is mind, in which one can be still IN?

Also, what is the purpose of just remaining STILL?

And, is it even possible to be STILL?

If yes, then this infers that CHANGE can be STOPPED, and the Universe does NOT STOP.

By the way, are 'you' at all Aware that what 'you' are 'trying to' explain here can be explained in very easy and very simple to understand terms?

There is an unchanging Self/Beingness that is the source of thoughts and sensations. This unchanging Awareness is ever present, but the distractions of thoughts and sensations obscure It.

The universe indeed does stop every time the body goes to sleep.

What is the purpose to moving and experience? There is no purpose to stillness/Source, as it is the frame of reference for purpose.

[Age]

But 'nonduality' can VERY easy be conceptualized AND KNOWN.

NO, Nonduality CANNOT be conceptualised, because it would need a conceptualiser, which is also a concept KNOWN.

That which is KNOWN cannot know anything, for one very good reason, because a KNOWN must have a source.



Test this for yourself ..ask yourself by conceptualising the following question... where does A SOURCE begin and end? can A SOURCE be seen known ?

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BOTH, as I say, are very easily and very simply answered.

Where A SOURCE begins OR ends is HERE-NOW.

Yes. A source can be SEEN. Though NOT with the human eye but with the True Mind's EYE, only.

[Age]

THE TRUTH IS NOT WITHIN THOUGHT.

What does the word 'thought' actually mean to 'you'?

If the Truth is NOT within 'thought', then where is It?

Also, can the Truth NOT be in 'thought' but eventually become within or a part of 'thoughts'?

Thought is exactly NOT Truth.

Obviously one thing is NOT another thing.

If one is thinking about OF something, they are not being that something.

If one is NOT thinking, then they are also NOT being any thing that they are NOT.

IF one is thinking about OF some thing, or NOT, then they are also NOT being that something.

Is it even possible for one thing to be some thing "else" anyway?

If yes, then HOW?

So while thinking of Truth one is not being Truth.

And, while NOT thinking of Truth one is ALSO not being Truth, as well.

OBVIOUSLY, ONLY Truth is Truth.

I NEVER thought that this would NEED to be explained.

Throw away everything you know and just be still (in mind).

What is mind, in which one can be still IN?

Also, what is the purpose of just remaining STILL?

And, is it even possible to be STILL?

If yes, then this infers that CHANGE can be STOPPED, and the Universe does NOT STOP.

By the way, are 'you' at all Aware that what 'you' are 'trying to' explain here can be explained in very easy and very simple to understand terms?

There is an unchanging Self/Beingness that is the source of thoughts and sensations. This unchanging Awareness is ever present, but the distractions of thoughts and sensations obscure It.

The universe indeed does stop every time the body goes to sleep.

What is the purpose to moving and experience? There is no purpose to stillness/Source, as it is the frame of reference for purpose.

Are 'you' at all Aware that 'you' VERY RARELY answer any of my Truly OPEN clarifying questions, but 'you' continually ask me questions?

But are your questions asked from a Truly OPEN perspective or do 'you' think or BELIEVE 'you' ALREADY HAVE and KNOW the answers to them?

I agree that "There is an unchanging Self/Beingness that is the source of thoughts and sensations". I have even ALREADY explained what this IS exactly, in very simple and very easy to understand terms.

I agree that "This unchanging Awareness is ever present, but the distractions of thoughts and sensations obscure It". I have even ALREADY explained exactly how this actually occurs, in very simple and very easy to understand terms.

HOW could the Universe indeed STOP every time "the" body goes to sleep? Which "body" are 'you' referring to here? Do 'you' the one individual little human beings self think so GRAND and MIGHTY of "yourself" that 'you' actually BELIEVE that the WHOLE Universe does indeed STOP just because 'you' have gone to sleep? Do ALL "bodies" sleep at the EXACT SAME time, if NOT, then HOW does the Universe supposed STOP for those "awake" "others"? Is the Universe indeed STILL moving and CHANGING when one animal body is resting/sleeping but other animal bodies are moving/awake?

The purpose to moving and experience is to bear witness to the BEAUTY that 'I' am Creating.

If 'you' BELIEVE that "There is no purpose to stillness/Source, as it is the frame of reference for purpose", then that MUST BE absolutely True, Right, AND Correct, correct?

[surreptitious57]

A source can be SEEN Though NOT with the human eye but with the True Minds EYE only

What is the True Minds EYE and in what way does it differ from the human eye
And can a human access the True Minds EYE and if they can then how do they

[surreptitious57]

Are you at all Aware that you VERY RARELY answer any of my Truly OPEN clarifying questions but you continually ask me questions

But are your questions asked from a Truly OPEN perspective or do you think or BELIEVE you ALREADY HAVE and KNOW the answers to them

Yes I am fully aware that I VERY RARELY answer any of your truly OPEN clarifying questions
No I do not BELIEVE I already have the answers to any clarifying questions I ask of you here

[Dontaskme]

Where A SOURCE begins OR ends is HERE-NOW.

NO, you are wrong.

HERE-NOW is a concept KNOWN

The KNOWN know nothing.

Knowns..ie: conceptual ideas/thoughts begin and end. The SOURCE of which DOES NOT.

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[Age]

A source can be SEEN Though NOT with the human eye but with the True Minds EYE only

What is the True Minds EYE and in what way does it differ from the human eye

The human eye/s is a physical thing, which can be visibly seen with the human eyes. These eye things are a way for human beings to see the physical Universe. These human eyes are how one of the five senses of sight is able to be transfer information from outside of the human body in towards the thinking/conceptualize brain, which can hold and store this information, for later perusal. The combined internal non visible thoughts, which come about after the seeing/sensing has been done, is some times then known as how one views things.

These human eyes, when working, which for some human bodies they do not work at all, differ from the True Mind's EYE, of which there is ONLY One.

The name "True Mind" was written under another label here in this forum, and i just used the same name here. The 'True Mind' to me is just the One and ONLY Truly OPEN Mind, otherwise known as thee 'Mind'. This Mind is NOT visible with the human eyes, just like thoughts and emotions are not visible to the human eyes. The Mind, however, is able to SEE ALL Things, classed as visible and non visible, physical and non physical. To 'SEE' some thing is to just know and/or understand some thing. Because to 'see' is generally associated with the sight from the human eyes the ability to know and understand things, internally, then the phrase the Mind's Eye relates to this. The Mind's Eye, like the Mind, Itself, is not a visible thing and therefore is not visible to the human eyes. The "Mind's Eye" is just a term to express how there is an ABILITY to SEE, KNOW and UNDERSTAND things.

And can a human access the True Minds EYE and if they can then how do they

Yes they can. They can do this by just remaining Truly OPEN.

ALL human beings have access to the ability to SEE the Truth of things, which is what the Minds, so called, "Eye" can do.

They just NEED to STOP ASSUMING and BELIEVING things. Just like there once were when they were very young.

For example, adult human beings, from what they have experienced in the days of when this is written, have 'seen/sensed' a 'world', which is just 'a way of life', in which it is perceived that money is NEEDED in order to live and keep surviving. The information transferred, from the senses, translates to the THOUGHT; 'we', human beings, NEED money to live.

Now many people will tell 'you' that this is TRUE. This is because they BELIEVE wholeheartedly that IT IS TRUE. These people have essentially completely CLOSED themselves off to being ABLE TO SEE the Truth of things.

Accessing the Mind's Eye just means being Truly OPEN and LOOKING, VIEWING, and SEEING from this perspective.

LOOKING FROM the THOUGHTS, only, within an adult human body in this day and age, when this is written, then the THOUGHTS can only and will only express a very narrowed field of view of things. The THOUGHT; 'we' NEED money to live, is a very NARROWED and CLOSED view or perspective of things. However, if LOOKING FROM the Mind, which is always Truly OPEN, then happens is True Wonder and Curiosity, from which ONLY the Truth of things CAN BE SEEN. First off; What does the word 'we' refer to actually? After a Truly OPEN clarifying question is asked, and the Answer given is from absolute OPENNESS and Honesty, and the answer is, 'we' refers to 'us', human beings, then, after What does the word 'need' actually mean and refer to, and the Answer given is from absolute OPENNESS and Honesty, and the answer is, 'need' means can NOT live or survive without. 'money' just being bits of paper with numbers on it and 'live' means being aware in a human body, which is breathing and pumping blood. Then we can actually LOOK AT the Truth claim, properly AND correctly. So, CAN 'we', human beings, NOT keep living and surviving without bits of paper with numbers on it?

Considering 'we', human beings, have been living and existing from anywhere from 10,000 years ago up to a few millions years, depending on who is being asked, the OBVIOUS FACT that human beings are STILL EXISTING means 'we' do NOT need money to live is thee actual Truth of things.

This Truth, like EVERY OTHER Truth, came from accessing the Truly OPEN Mind, and NOT from the preexisting thoughts (ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS), which usually ONLY distort the actual REAL Truth of things.

The actual SOURCE, where EVERY thing comes from, IS thee (Truly OPEN) Mind, Itself, which can be SEEN by the Mind's Eye, unfortunately though, this ABILITY to SEE ALL things CLEAR gets distorted by already existing THOUGHTS.

[Age]

Are you at all Aware that you VERY RARELY answer any of my Truly OPEN clarifying questions but you continually ask me questions

But are your questions asked from a Truly OPEN perspective or do you think or BELIEVE you ALREADY HAVE and KNOW the answers to them

Yes I am fully aware that I VERY RARELY answer any of your truly OPEN clarifying questions
No I do not BELIEVE I already have the answers to any clarifying questions I ask of you here

Thanks for answering these two questions, but they were NOT directed at 'you', "surreptitious57, personally. This is because I was wondering about them in relation to that one known as "roydop".

But, thank you again.

I wish though you were so forthcoming to answering my clarifying questions that are directed towards 'you', "surreptitious57, but anyway.

[Age]

Where A SOURCE begins OR ends is HERE-NOW.

NO, you are wrong.

If I am WRONG, then what IS RIGHT.

I do get accused of being WRONG, in this forum, quite a bit. But this is RARELY if EVER proven with what IS actually RIGHT.

Hopefully, 'you', "dontaskme", will be the exception here this time.

HERE-NOW is a concept KNOWN

The KNOWN know nothing.

Continually expressing (the same) BELIEFS STOP 'you', human beings, from SEEING the actual Truth of things.

Knowns..ie: conceptual ideas/thoughts begin and end. The SOURCE of which DOES NOT.

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1. 'Knowns' are NOT ideas/thoughts. 'Thoughts' are what is NOT KNOWN, for sure. Whereas, 'Knowns' are exactly what IS KNOWN, for sure.

Two very different things; If some thing is KNOWN to be true, for sure, then it can NOT be refuted and is unambiguous. Whereas, if some thing is only thought to be true, then it can be refuted and/or it is ambiguous. If, however, some thing can NOT be refuted and is unambiguous, then it becomes a KNOWN thing.

2. Conceptual ideas/thoughts begin and end, just like EVERY other thing, besides the Universe, Itself, does. The SOURCE is thee Universe, Itself. If what I have written enough times already WAS ALREADY UNDERSTOOD, then obviously I say the Universe does NOT begin NOR end. Surely 'you', "dontaskme", have read ENOUGH of what I have written to KNOW that when I say the HERE-NOW I mean FOREVER-ALWAYS, without beginning nor ending?

In a sense, because the Universe is ALWAYS in constant-change, then the beginning IS the ending and the ending IS the beginning, at HERE-NOW, ALWAYS.

In and from one sense, the Universe/SOURCE NEVER begins NOR ends. But, in and from another sense, the Universe/SOURCE is ALWAYS ending AND beginning, but NOT because it is starting and finishing as such, but because the physical is ALWAYS CHANGING.

The physical Universe IS ALWAYS changing.

The non visible Universe, Mind/SOURCE, NEVER changes.

By the way, WHY do 'you', "dontaskme", regularly appear to be 'thinking' that I am saying things opposing your views?

If I was asked for clarification, then it will be SEEN that what I WANT to express IS the exact same as what 'you' are 'trying to' express.

[Dontaskme]

If I am WRONG, then what IS RIGHT.

Your wrong is RIGHT.

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[surreptitious57]

I wish though you were so forthcoming to answering my clarifying questions that are directed towards you surreptitious57 but anyway

And I wish that you would stop asking me this question when I have answered it multiple times already and consistently so as well
For the absolute and final time then I do not answer all of your questions simply because I do not have the mental energy to do so
You continue to ask me this then I will simply not bother answering you anymore as I am already wasting mental energy in doing so