gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 am
Age wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:32 am
Where do 'you', people, think the misconception that "the ability to know for sure that God exists or not" IS LACKING comes from exactly?
Humility Sir.
Is the word "Humility" in "Humility Sir" because it is:
The answer to the question, or for some other reason?
If you used the word "humility" here for some other reason, then what is that reason?
If, however, the word "humility" is the answer to the question, then where exactly does your, supposed, inability to know things for sure, like whether God exists or not, come from "humility"?
If 'you' do NOT YET know some thing, then that is just thee Truth of things. But if you want to claim that 'you', human beings, have an inability to know the accuracy of some thing, then first 'you' NEED to prove that this is an actual FACT, and then, 'we' can LOOK AT and SEE if that inability to learn and thus know actually comes from "humility" or some other thing.
IF 'i', a person, discovered or learned, and thus KNOW that God exists or not, then people do HAVE an ability to KNOW, for sure, things like whether God exists or not.
What I have found, and which happens quite regularly, is that if a person does NOT YET know some thing, and has not yet seen any "other" person knowing the answer also, then they have a tendency to say that it can NEVER be known. And it is this continual saying and repeating of the same thing, which is what leads these people to start BELIEVING that people have an "inability" to know certain things. What makes this BELIEF stronger is when "others", especially influential, to them, people say the exact same thing.
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 amand the genuine form of it - living life and knowing as you age and gain Wisdom via life's travails, you know the "more you know the less you actually know" (in youth you assume a knowledge that life beats out of you - for the better BTW, at the time it does not seem nice, but decades later you understand the beating gave you some more measure of Wisdom (and Humility)) both virtues IMO).
I found IF human beings, of any age, ASSUME any knowledge, without KNOWING the actual Truth, then then have a chance of being completely and utterly WRONG.
I have come to understand that it is much better to NEVER ASSUME and to NEVER BELIEVE/DISBELIEVE any thing at all, EVER. That way a person can NEVER be WRONG. That person instead will just be remaining OPEN to keep learning, and thus to keep becoming ALWAYS wiser.
I ignore the phony "Humility" that too many use for self grandstanding. "Hey look at me i'm Humble"
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 ambut of course i do claim to be Humble, though not one of that sort - via my self claim.
So what I have just learned here is 'you', "gaffo", say that you "ignore the phone "Humility" but of course you DO claim to be Humble. Okay, now that you have SHARED that and made it KNOWN, I have noted it down.
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 amits up to you to determine which sort i am, i honesty do not care.
WHY would I even want to determine such a thing for anyway? I also honestly do not care.
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 ami do care that you do value honest (real=true) Humility as a virtue in and of itself worth striving for.
Why do 'you' care what 'I' value, and what is worth striving for?
I find if some thing is 'worth striving for', then it is NOT some thing that obviously just comes naturally. I have found that if a virtue is wanted, but not yet obtained, then questioning what am I doing wrong that I am not like 'that', which I want to be, and answer them Truly Honestly and OPENLY, THEN I found out HOW to be 'that', what I want to BE.
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 amAge wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:32 am
But WHY the insecurity, lack of self-esteem, or lack of self-knowledge to KNOW that the NATURE within human beings ALLOWS them to discover, learn, and understand absolutely ANY and EVERY thing?
your above showd you lack Wisdom to understand the nature of Humility(the real form not the malligant egosist type - which is not humble in any way).
So, if what I wrote here SHOWS you that I lack wisdom to understand the nature of 'Humility', then go right ahead and explain the nature of 'Humility'. SHOW us that 'you', "gaffo", HAVE the Wisdom to understand the nature of 'Humility'.
Also, WHY do 'you' BELIEVE that 'you' lack the ability to KNOW whether God exists or not. BUT, HAVE the ability (or Wisdom) to understand the nature of 'Humility'? And, how EXACTLY did 'you' gain the Wisdom, to understand the nature of 'Humility'? When, and IF, you do that, then I might also gain the same Wisdom, which you say I lack.
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 amI'm not insecure - nor does Humility demand i be so.
I do not lack Self Esteem - nor does Humility demand i do.
'you' have really turned this discussion about some so called "lack of ability to KNOW things for sure" into being about "humility", itself, correct?
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 amI can do better than i currently am (so i am partially insecure and lack some esteem)).
Okay, so 'you' are not insecure and you do not lack Self Esteem, BUT, 'you' are partially insecure and in fact do lack some esteem. I will note this down also.
speaking Humbly. but not using humility as equal to such!
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 amyou figure it out Bubba.
Who is "Bubba" and what exactly do 'you' want them to figure out here?
From my perspective, there is NOTHING at all to figure out here.
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 amAge wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:32 am
This Nature is what separates human beings from ALL other (known to them) creatures.
carefull
Pride, one of the seven not virtues.
Pride is worth nothing. less then in fact. being the opposite of Humility.
You are really tied up with, and in, Humility here now, correct?
By the Humility, from my perspective, has NOTHING at all to do with 'human nature', which is what is being discussed here.
I am saying that the ability to KNOW things comes from a NATURAL perspective within human beings, which hitherto ONLY human beings SHOW signs of having this NATURE.
To me, this 'nature' is what separates human beings from ALL other animals/things/beings.
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 amAge wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:32 am
The human animal is the only known (to them) animal with True Intelligence, and a Truly amazing brain to capture and store the knowledge that they obtain.
and? so? your point? - i'm lost here.
Well this discussion WAS about some supposed "inability to KNOW things for sure" AND 'human nature'. That WAS until 'you' turned it around to being about "Humility".
From my perspective, you have been lost since you first answered my first question in this post of yours.
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 amBTW Dolphin's may be our equal - via dissection of their brains (their "world experience" excepted).
How exactly is the dissection of the dolphin's brain may be 'your', human beings, equal?
And, does this some how lead to 'you' concluding that this relates to 'human nature' HOW EXACTLY?
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 amagain do you have a point?
My point IS, just like it has been all along here; you CLAIM human beings have an inability to KNOW some things, for sure. I, however, disagree and say that human beings do have an ability to learn, understand, and reason ANY thing/Everything.
I say this ABILITY is what ALLOWS human beings to KNOW things, for sure.
I also say, humans having this ABILITY is what separates humans from all other KNOWN things.
Can you now SEE I have a point?
If yes, then can you now SEE what the point IS?
If yes, feel free to comment on it ANY way you feel like.
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 amis it?
Is 'what' it?
I have NO idea what this is in relation to exactly.
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 amMan is the smartest (assumping Dolphines are dumpshits) and so being smart knows the mind of God!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this what 'YOU' have concluded from what I have said, or from some thing else? Because I have certainly NEVER even imagined any thing like this, let alone wrote in a way that alluded to any thing like this, let alone at all wrote absolutely any thing like this.
Also, is there a "mind" OF God?
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 amif so, proclaim your view on man knowing the mind of God, and will just take you as a nutter and ignore anything you have to say on the matter.
Besides the very FACT that I do NOT proclaim any such thing, WHY would you INSTANTLY proclaim some one is a "nutter" just because they say they have a view on how hu/man KNOW some thing?
If 'you' NEVER even get a chance to HEAR some thing, then WHY do you BELIEVE you KNOW the Truth of things ALREADY?
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 amas i do for anyone that claims to know of God/s and he/their nature/s.
Keep BELIEVING and proclaiming that some people are "nutters", just because they claims, which you ABSOLUTELY and WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE is untrue, as much as you like. BUT, BELIEVING some thing is True BEFORE you even LISTEN SHOWS more about who is ABLE to become wiser and who is NOT.
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 amAge wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:32 am
Just because one human being, or one generation of human beings, does not YET know some thing, that then does NOT mean forever more that thing thing will NEVER become known.
ya sure bubba, whatever
Your INABILITY to remain OPEN, and just ask some clarifying questions, SPEAKS LOUDLY HEAR. And, some people WONDER WHY 'you', human beings, have an INABILITY to LEARN and KNOW some particular things.
Your ABILITY to remain completely CLOSED, in the light of things here, is ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of the human brains complete lack of being able to even just LOOK AT any thing other than what it ALREADY BELIEVES is the truth of things.
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 am
not sure, since that was a few days ago, if you are honest in inquiry i will retrace my replies to re-remember my point WRT yo Jesus and the old prophets and get back to you.
assuming you are not a troll (and i assume the best about you - and vise versa (if you are not a troll)
I do not recall writing any of this.
gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 amAge wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:32 am
??? dont follow, tell me more if willing
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I'll get back to ya - 1-2 weeks hence assuming you are not troll.
never if you are.
just being honest/putting on notice here.
I do not recall writing this also. In fact I think 'you' are replying to "yourself" here now?