Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:15 am
Well, you really could argue that Christianity isn't "evolved" from Judaism; in a real sense, Christianity IS Judaism... real Judaism,
oh yes the old chestnut of the "true Scotsman".
ho hum
yes i know the christian argument/perspective per this particular..............hear it trillion times.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:15 am
In truth, it's modern Judaism that's stopped being
real Judaism: nowadays, it's a cultural mishmash of OT plus traditions.
yes i know, you are refering to Rabbical Judiasm and maybe reform forms of............as you should know the Romans raised Jerusalam and killed the Messianic jews (essenes).
there are millions of jews today and few prob are messiac and essene in mindset, but as whole that eary form of Judaism was removed from the earth by the romans.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:15 am
But really, it's just ancient Judaism unfulfilled.
yes i know the Christain chestnut.
Mormons use the same WRT to your religion.
and of course per Judiasm the concept that God could come in the form of a man is heresy.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:15 am
No modern Jewish person is going to like that argument,
prob not like it.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:15 am
but it happens to be true.
yes true, per the surviving form of Judiasm - rabbinical.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:15 am
Jesus Christ is the Messiah of Israel.
Jews do not agree
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:15 am
There is no other. Nor will there ever be.
Jews do not agree and still wait for the arrival of their True Messiah (who can never be their God's son nor their God in human form), but a strong mortal man anointed by their God to free them from oppression.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:15 am
in fact Islam was born via Iraqi Judaic and Christian Gnostic texts (works that were popular among christians and jews but eventually rejected from their Canon later.
It's worse than that, actually. If you read the Koran, you'll find it doesn't even accurately reproduce the Judaic or Christian originals on many points. What it is, is a desert cult, based on a combination of what an illiterate man could remember of Judaism plus Nestorianism, plus stuff he made up.
I've read some of the Koran and know of its errors - due to being taken from errounious Yemeni Jews of poor understanding of their Judaism.
Islam is not a desert cult (the 300+ gods in Medina - the old polytheistic gods Muhammed overturned were the "desert cults"
Islam is a missmash of mosly Yemeni Judiasm (90-percent) of the 600 century, with 300 century Gnostic christianity thrown in in lesser amounts (10 percent) - nearly all origin story (Belial refusing to bow down to adam), with a small addendum WRT to Infancy of christ work.
I do know somewhat about both history and religions of that part of our world Sir.