jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:31 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:54 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:54 pm
Why does it HAVE TO BE necessarily "frozen".
Why can one state NOT be in constant-motion?
Also, that is the point of one state, there can be one state of constant-change AND there is NO time, which is exactly how what appears to be happening, to me.
What do you mean by "current state" exactly?
A point in time is either a past state (which is remembered), a future state (which is expected) or the present state (which is perceived).
Agreed that that is how 'a point in time' is referred to.
jayjacobus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:01 pmThe memory exists now and the expectation exists now but no past state exists now nor does any future state exist now. Only the present state exists now
When you say 'present state', what do you actually mean?
Are you saying the 'present state' is different to some 'other state'?
If yes, then HOW are these 'states' actually different?
The current state I observe is in a current state of constant-motion or constant-change. So, what do these so called "other states" LOOK LIKE to you? And, how do those "states" actually behave?
jayjacobus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:01 pmbut our brain extends our perception over a sequence of states making now appear to have a duration (of unknown length).
Only because you are talking about a human brain of some years that has grown up with watches and clocks and "others" telling that brain that there are separate and different states of duration.
The human brain is very easy to fall victim to these types of illusions and beliefs.
jayjacobus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:01 pmWithout memory time would not be perceived.
But what is being perceived actually?
'Time' or just a 'change'?
If it is 'time', then as I said earlier what is 'time', exactly?
If it is 'change', then I agree.
jayjacobus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:01 pm We would be stuck in the present without a clue as to how to deal with the present.
This seems rather far fetched and very unrealistic.
What do you mean by "stuck in the present"?
If there is NO change, thus EVERY thing is frozen completely, then you certainly will NOT have to worry about "having a clue or not, about what to do", as you obviously will NOT be doing any thing at all anyway.
jayjacobus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:01 pmIf you are on a boat, the instantaneous position is now, the evidence of the past is in the wake and the evidence of the future is in the heading.
If you think that I do not yet understand this, then I think you have completely MISSED what I am talking about.
By the way, do you remember the quote of my that you are responding to you here?
If yes, then you did NOT answer my question, which was, What is 'time', to you, exactly?
To me, the word 'time' is just a word used in reference to change, and 'time' is NOT some actual thing itself.
In order for there to be change, there must be more than one state. One state is a constant state. There can't be movement if there is a constant state.
I sometimes write in a very paradoxical way. I do this because of the way the actual Truth of things actually ARE.
I commonly write in a way that seems contradictory or absurd, but express a truth. For example, I say the Universe is in a constant state, which, at first glance, appears very contradictory or absurd. Besides me doing this just to highlight and SHOW just HOW quickly human beings will make ASSUMPTIONS, based solely on past experiences, and then just as quickly jump to CONCLUSIONS, even though the ASSUMPTION they made in the beginning could be completely and utterly WRONG or partly wrong, anyway besides writing paradoxically for that reason I also write paradoxically because that is how Life very much appears from 'time to time'.
Life, CAN BE, forever, in one state and there still be movement. In fact there can be a constant state and still be movement.
Life IS in a 'constant state' of 'change'.
The Universe is in one state ALWAYS.
The Universe is constantly-changing.
Therefore, the Universe is in the One state of 'constant-change'.
If the Universe was NOT in that one state of 'constant-change', then It would be in another state, which means It would then have to be in a state of 'NOT changing', and THEN there would NOT be movement. So, the Universe, paradoxically, has to be in thee One constant state of change. Otherwise It would just be frozen or still.
Although the term 'constant-change' is an oxymoron and is a paradox it actually is the Truth of things.
jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:31 pm
Object A is in one position and one orientation. To change, it must go to another state.
For an 'object' that is NOT thee Universe, Itself, this may well be true. But the Universe can NOT go from one position and one orientation to another position, another orientation, nor another state.
jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:31 pm
In the second state the position of object A can be different and the orientation of A can be different.
Very true, for ALL objects other than the object 'Universe'.
jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:31 pm
But if A is in one state, it must always be in the same position and the same orientation.
Very true. If the one state of A is 'change', then A MUST ALWAYS be in the same position and the same orientation, which the object 'Universe' ALWAYS IS in. The Universe is ALWAYS in the constant state of 'change'.
Time is t1, t2, t3, etc. t1 corresponds to state 1, t2 corresponds to state 2, t3 corresponds to state 3, etc.
jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:31 pm
The sequence of time is a sequence of states. If there aren't a sequence of states, then there is no time.
The change of the One state, which the Universe, Itself, is in, is separated conceptually only, and it is these conceived of "different" sequence of states, which is what is measured, or gets measured against each other.
Thinking of time as a sequence of dimension is not correct. The sequence of dimensions must be a sequence of states otherwise there can't be change.
Every space has a state but the states must be in equilibrium. This can only happen when the change in state1 is in sync with the change in all surrounding states. If that were not true then the surrounding states would not be connected and the universe would diverge into a chaos of states.
jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:31 pm
Space must be discrete because, if it isn't, there would be only one state that all spaces would be held in and a constant state would exist across the universe. One continuous space implies one continuous time and that would mean no changes.
What does 'space' mean, to you?
jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:31 pm
Time has more than one definition but it's basic definition is "Time is a sequence of states." and that answers your question.
No.
One thing I found very helpful in learning how to UNDERSTAND things FULLY, is to NEVER put nor use the word being defined, in the definition, itself.
What I found is this leads more towards confusion than it does towards understanding.