As usual, you messed the point up by conflating irrelevant points.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:58 amAs usual you are messing things up.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:21 am But additive and subtractive is what defines carving....
Whatever, you make no sense as usual, to address your point directly:
But Heraclitus keeps repeating the word river....his argument is built around a looping variable. You cannot affect the same river because there are multiple rivers: this necessitates river is a constant that occurs through continual variation...it becomes a platonic form.
A river is a boundary of movement, a quality. All qualities are continuums of progressive change. The quality of a horse are the movements that compose a horse. The same applies for any phenomenon. A circle is a quality as it is both composed of and composed further circles.
Hercilclitus was only half right.
I can argue there is no river in the first place, or a river is merely an illusion in a way - as such Heraclitus should have shut up!
Thus the point doesn't exist at all, at which case there is no mess up....
What Heraclitus was referring to are strictly confined to phenomena only.
Heraclitus point was to convey the point 'Change is the only constant' and change is subjected to the human condition.
You got it wrong.What you don't understand in this case is, the statement was qualified to the principle of change and permanence, i.e. the only constant is change.
But the constant change...is a river. Heraclitus contradicts himself through contradiction being a constant "boundary of division" from one phenomena and another. In these respects there are constants with the line as contradictive, dividing one phenomena from another, as necessitating universal forms.
Curvature is constant and omnipresent.
1. A glass half of water and half of air observes a define line between them, the same occurs with the glass itself.
2. A leaf in the air observes curvature separating them.
3. The basic yin/yang simple observes this curvature separating light from dark, with this observed with any horizon during dawn or dusk.
What Heraclitus implied in this case is water in a river is always flowing and assumed the river-bed and river side are the same.
As such at every nano-second the river is a different river because the flowing water is not the same at the spot the person is stepping into.
Therefore on this basis one cannot step into the same river twice.
Strictly on the above basis, Heraclitus is right is demonstrating non-permanence and change is the only constant.
In the above example, there are so many other points that we can bring in, e.g. the river bed, the dept, the speed, and river side are also constantly changing. As mentioned we can bring in Quantum Physics, etc. but that is not the point.
If you use curvature as an example, then,
a curvature like a river is not the same and permanent all the time.
Whatever the curvature it is changing all the time due to changing circumstances.
The curvature observed in a glass of water is due to surface tension subject to time, location and the related material, the slightest evaporation of water molecules would have change curvature x to curvature y.
Again what is constant is change.
Why are you so stupid?Heraclitus statement is valid within the qualified and appropriate context the statement is made.
If Heraclitus has studied Quantum Physics, he would have stated "a thing can be either a particle or wave" to reflect non-permanence and reality is conditional.
But it is not valid if taken out of context, and if all changes according to context then heralictus is also wrong and "negates" himself...he is subject to a negation of negation.
Context is constant form, as context requires a self referential loop that separates one phenomena from another. To say "dog is dog" separates it from the loop of "cat is cat" or "red is red", but all of these distinctintly seperate loops are still loops.
They are seperate by there intrinsic emptiness on one hand, but United in their circular nature of repetition within repetition as repetition.
Hericlitus is half right.
Heraclitus point is within a certain context to demonstrate there is no permanence in phenomena.
Heraclitus is right is demonstrating impermanence and change is the only constant with his implied context.
What is expected of you in this case is to prove the river one step in is always the same river, there is absolute permanence in phenomena, and change is not the only constant.
You are really stupid in going off tangent.
I suspect you are autistic with with a weak 'theory of mind' thus you are always going off tangent.
I have to agree with Sculptor in this case;
"There is no doubt you are bat shit crazy.