Free speech is how we expand our awareness -- however, as with all things, it's best when there is balance and discernment. Otherwise, we risk devolving into excessive noise. It's valuable when everyone has a voice. It's not valuable when people rant excessively and repeatedly, as if they're in a psychotic mental spin.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:28 am
Your trouble is that you don't know the value of top down reason as it concerns philosophy as the love of wisdom.
Your trouble is that you make up this sort of untrue shit and tell people what they can and can't do. You do not know people or life to that degree, Nick, and you limit what is possible (for YOU to understand) because of your small ideas. There are so many ways of understanding life and humankind. You have latched onto one philosophy that you apparently think is supreme, and you judge all based on that. It's ridiculous to limit the Universe and humankind's potential to ONE SET OF IDEAS -- ONE PHILOSOPHY.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:28 amIf a person wants to understand the purpose of trees they must begin with what a forest is.
No, they don't have to do it any particular way. That's YOUR idea/belief.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:28 am
If a person wants to understand the humn condition as it manifests with people, they must begin with what humanity is and why it is as it is.
No, they don't have to begin with those ideas at all. Such ideas can be FULL of twisted notions and judgments, based on the self-serving agendas of religious mindsets.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:28 amPlato's cave is a way of explaining it by inviting people to experience top down or deductive reason.
There are many ways of using deductive reason. As you said, Plato's cave is A WAY. One way... that's all, Nick. And like all philosophies, it certainly has blind spots. So why do you insist that people who aren't interested in it are not seeing "truth"? You claim they're insulted... and that they hate your view. No, they just aren't interested. They don't see significant value in it, compared to their own views. But you see how you frame it: as if it is some glorious truth that all must deny. This appears to give your view a level of righteousness, above and beyond mere mortals. I mean, really... notice how melodramatic and self-serving that is.
Why can't you just admit that people have other views that work better for them... and they're simply not interested in yours. It has nothing to do with being insulted or hating. That's just your "spin" to try to make your view seem important and powerful.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:28 amConsequently, the heart of philosophy has been sacrificed for for ideas that are not disturbing or disruptive because people are closed to the premises necessary for deductive reason.
Not true. There have been many challenging discussions and views that are both disturbing and disruptive
to the point that people run away and won't answer or explore questions. This story you fabricate about "the heart of philosophy being sacrificed" is a melodrama that delights you. I don't think you're at all upset about any of these failures you see in humankind -- I think you are actually thrilled to be making such apocalyptic accusations and drooling all over yourself with spiteful glee. It really seems kind of sick.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:28 am
I am still the same ol Nick.
Nah, you really seem much better. Maybe you didn't realize what a zealot you were being. You're more like a person now.
We all go through phases, Nick.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:28 amPeople are not aware of what is required to maintain a free society.
So...are you making this claim of people in contrast to what you think YOU are AWARE of? Really????? And if so, isn't that an interesting position you place yourself in? How magnificent for you!!
Can you see what you've constructed for yourself -- and how it rejects/denies others? If you want to understand what humans are capable of and why...start with yourself, seriously.