How are we able to communicate ideas through incomplete langauge?

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How are we able to communicate ideas through incomplete langauge?

Post by bahman » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:54 pm

We are able to do so because the langauge is based on, words and sentences, which each points toward an abstract or real object.

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Re: How are we able to communicate ideas through incomplete langauge?

Post by Impenitent » Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:57 pm

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Re: How are we able to communicate ideas through incomplete langauge?

Post by surreptitious57 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:23 pm

Language is the verbalisation or textualisation of thought but it is incomplete because it evolves over time
Thought itself is incomplete so it is only natural that the means by which it is expressed is also incomplete

Also dictionaries are descriptive not prescriptive so words are therefore not defined absolutely but are flexible with regard to usage
This lack of rigour means the meaning of words can change over time and also that new ones are created and old ones are discarded

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Re: How are we able to communicate ideas through incomplete langauge?

Post by bahman » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:25 pm

Impenitent wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:57 pm
oing

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What do you mean?

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Re: How are we able to communicate ideas through incomplete langauge?

Post by bahman » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:26 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:23 pm
Language is the verbalisation or textualisation of thought but it is incomplete because it evolves over time
Thought itself is incomplete so it is only natural that the means by which it is expressed is also incomplete

Also dictionaries are descriptive not prescriptive so words are therefore not defined absolutely but are flexible with regard to usage
This lack of rigour means the meaning of words can change over time and also that new ones are created and old ones are discarded
True. I, however, do not understand how this is related to the topic of this thread.

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Re: How are we able to communicate ideas through incomplete langauge?

Post by surreptitious57 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:43 pm

bahman wrote:
I however do not understand how this is related to the topic of this thread
There is a relationship between ideas and language and both are incomplete

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Re: How are we able to communicate ideas through incomplete langauge?

Post by bahman » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:46 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:43 pm
bahman wrote:
I however do not understand how this is related to the topic of this thread
There is a relationship between ideas and language and both are incomplete
Yes. We can however communicate considering the fact that ideas and language together is complete.

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Re: How are we able to communicate ideas through incomplete langauge?

Post by commonsense » Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:59 pm

bahman wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:46 pm

...ideas and language together is complete.
How so?

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Re: How are we able to communicate ideas through incomplete langauge?

Post by Impenitent » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:08 pm

bahman wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:25 pm
Impenitent wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:57 pm
oing

-Imp
What do you mean?
oing

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Re: How are we able to communicate ideas through incomplete langauge?

Post by bahman » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:19 pm

commonsense wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:59 pm
bahman wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:46 pm

...ideas and language together is complete.
How so?
Abstract and real objects are the only input that we have. We also have tool of language. The definition of any word eventually leads to abstract and real objects. That is how things are. Can you give me an example of a word which its definition is not based on abstract and real objects?

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Re: How are we able to communicate ideas through incomplete langauge?

Post by bahman » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:29 pm

Impenitent wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:08 pm
bahman wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:25 pm
Impenitent wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:57 pm
oing

-Imp
What do you mean?
oing

-Imp
I googled oing but I couldn't get what do you mean. Could you please elaborate?

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Re: How are we able to communicate ideas through incomplete langauge?

Post by Impenitent » Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:14 pm

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Re: How are we able to communicate ideas through incomplete langauge?

Post by commonsense » Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:00 am

Impenitent wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:14 pm
oing

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ROFLOL

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Re: How are we able to communicate ideas through incomplete langauge?

Post by Walker » Sat Sep 28, 2019 8:06 am

bahman wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:29 pm
Impenitent wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:08 pm
bahman wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:25 pm

What do you mean?
oing

-Imp
I googled oing but I couldn't get what do you mean. Could you please elaborate?
"oing" makes sense because of the thread title. What makes sense, communicates.

"oing" is missing a letter, which makes it incomplete, referencing the thread title of incomplete language.

The missing letter is most likely g. It may also be b or p to make slang, or h to make more slang.

A d would make sense in relation to the question.

L has an outside chance.

Conclusion: The answer to the thread title question is, imprecisely.

oing, oing, one.

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Re: How are we able to communicate ideas through incomplete langauge?

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:39 pm

bahman wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:54 pm
We are able to do so because the langauge is based on, words and sentences, which each points toward an abstract or real object.
Circularity.

All words are circular in nature.

In progressing to further words these new words cycle back to the original.

Each word as applied by the subject to an object is a cycle, as this definition of the object becomes a loop within the observer's perception. This loop is the repetition of the word and image of the object (with this image/word being a cycle). Memory is the repition of events as a loop.

The loop between the word and object, through the subject, is repeated to further subjects as a loop thus the word becomes objective (ie given form, with this form occurring through a looping movement.).


Keep in mind the word "point" you use. It is not only necessitating a form of direction but a dynamic change that under lies language. When you "point" you are directing your assumptive capacity to something and are being imprinted (changing) through it.

The object as "the point" becomes that which you assume reality through without thought. So I may point to a bike on the road, assume it, and observe all bikes through the pattern of that bike. I may also observer further phenomenon, such as a cloud or wheel, through the pattern of that bike.

Thus each phenomenon we assume, acts as a pattern for assuming further phenomenon as well.

We assume through instrincially empty looping patterns and we are assumed by this. "Pointing" is the inversion of one pattern of assumptions to another, thus necessitates consciousness as grounded in isomorphism and as such is formless. This formless nature of consciousness is the unconscious, that which is passive and is imprinted by reality.

The repition of this inversion, or the projection of formless, is consciousness itself.

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