Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:19 pm
“The supernatural greatness of Christianity lies in the fact that it does not seek a supernatural remedy for suffering but a supernatural use for it.”
― Simone Weil
A supernatural use for suffering would be to create more of it, else DIE, but have you noticed, no one wants to die?
Human, not-supernatural quotes are full of BS, wishful fanciful flowery thinking at best where flogging dead horses seems to win the race.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:19 pmWe can curse out the results of our personality that lives our life for us but do we have to destroy our essence and this kernel of life which has the potential to evolve and become a conscious part of universal meaning and purpose? Can we make conscious use of suffering rather than avoiding it?
Well, one can negate all things bar source itself, so no worries about offsetting the natural equilibrium of infinite sourceless source. On the other hand that which arises as
'sourced' must therefore succumb to it's ultimate fall.
Suffering arising here or not, there is no reason, requirement, necessity or purpose to it whatsoever, it's just what life for the sentient being does/is.
If human consciousness wanted to evolve for the better, then it will when life evolves it to do so and not one second before, it's got an eternity to get it right, not that it's ever wrong. The fact that questions apparently arise here in the human mind, means that every question is as valid and reasonable as any other. What has value for one has no value for another, so be it.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:19 pmI believe we can but it requires the second birth; a concept largely perverted in culture today. So like the lemmings humanity will largely just follow the path of self destruction.
The second birth is death. Life is suffering full stop. If life as a human sentient creature wants to self-destruct, then that is just what life wants to do, and what's wrong with that? what's the alternative? ...oh I know, we'll just keep on learning to love our suffering because it's really really good for us to suffer.. so you better surrender now, you really have to learn to be a good little girl and boy, or santa won't bring you any toys, so you either surrender now and learn what's good for you, or you can just continue to act like a little spoilt wayward imp. Listen, I'm your higher self speaking, if you don't know what's good for you, what will make you even stronger.....then fuck off, be gone and go your own way, I'm finished with you, my road to hell was always paved with good intentions, but it's your life, live it how you want to live it.
Yeah right, what a load of old crock. We love to suffer full stop, if we didn't we'd stop suffering. We wouldn't even be here in the first place if it hadn't have been for that huge evil bully boulder asteroid that blew half the earth into a seething fire of death and destruction, without one iota of care for those poor dinasaurs well being. And now look what replaced them. This Bullshitting human mind that loves to tell fables and stories about the world, and of tales about surrending to a higher power, that would never have been heard at all if not for those poor dinasaurs and their self-less sacrifce.
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