Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:28 pm
The problem with the UN just deciding to preach human rights is twofold: firstly, the UN has no real authority, military or moral.
I'm glad it does not have the former. a world military would be a disaster for liberty.
as for the latter, the UN does serve a "moral" role (more aptly a universally suggested and promoted moral LEGAL Code of conduct - "international law" stuff.
and hey!
that GREAT! i affirm and support a legal codex for international conduct.
you don't? if not why not?
UN was created to prevent ww3, and the league of nations was to prevent ww2 (sadly the league FAILED and we got ww2).
you wish for the UN to fail and we get ww3?
good, i do not like the idea of a world gov with the power of force to make all nations comply (this of course will never happen since the UN is a "debating society" not a government with an army.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:28 pm So what they "agree" (even if we suppose that they do) has no compulsion behind it of any kind -- not force,
thank your God.
since 1948 i've found the UN to be both generally rational and moral body, and has served my (american myself) nation's interests.
and suspect she has served other's nations as well since 1948 - moreso than would be the case without her.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:28 pm Theirs is just an opinion, and an opinion that many of their members do not even practice in their own countries. Secondly, there is no rational grounds behind their claims. Instead, they're borrowing from John Locke, and from a worldview that the UN itself does not hold. So their own ideological position undermines any rational basis for their public declarations about "rights."
other than affirming that the UN has and is at times hypocritical, your point? we would be better off without her?
i disagree.
UN has authority for the Rule of Law per the conventions of international treaties.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:28 pm In short, they have neither a logical basis, an authority,
nor should they, the UN is a legal body - a debating club - not a world government!Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:28 pm nor have any history of personally practicing these claims they make about universal human rights.
just like NATO, but bigger (and weaker - lol).
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:28 pm They're really no more than a collection of the world's most hypocritical impotent scolds. Their human rights commission, for example, routinely condemns places like Israel, while letting places like Iran and Saudi off the hook. So how serious as a moral authority can they be?
ya, UN could do better, your solution is to nullify the UN instead of reform it in this particular?
and removing the UN from existance will serve the world better how????????????
BTW:
Israel is a signatory of the 4th Geneva Accords (1948) - and has violated it since that time (more aptly since 1967).
I tell you how SA and Israel differ per the Geneva accords they both signed if you are interested, but i do not think you care to learn.