Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:10 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:01 pm
Awww....come on! You promised me "absolute proof."
How could I have promised you anything? My initial response was to sculptor.
So it was something you thought would only be believed, and only ought to be believed, by Sculptor? It wasn't objectively true? Just rhetoric?
That's plausible, I guess.
This is what I wrote:
Absolutely right especially the 'proven' part. There never was or will be a defined purpose to life...
Yes. That's what I said you said.
It's a categorical claim that there is "no purpose" to life, and it's "proven," to use your words.
What has, in fact, been “proven” so far is that nothing in our existence has been shown to be commensurate to any such plan during the entire history of the human race.
Again, this just begs the question: now you're claiming to know all that "has been shown," and "during the entire history of the human race." What's less than categorical about that? Where's the humility that says, "Well, I have experience X, but it's possible others have experience Y, and I don't happen to know about it? I'm not seeing it there.
As requested if you know something that others aren’t aware of or even provide a substantive reason why any kind of purpose should exist in our being here without necessarily naming what that purpose would be then please do so.
I just wanted you to justify your claims. Now you claim you're making none. I get that, but it's not true.
To Sculptor, you made claims you expected to be taken as objective, universal and unchallenged. To me, the version of the story is that you've not made these claims.
What more can I say about the contradiction?
Our PURPOSE now, as I see it, is to continue living on the planet
Do you mean, "the purpose we invent, but is merely our preference" or "The real purpose, the objective one"? It would make a difference to the import of this statement.
If it's just the former, then what you mean might be paraphrased, "we want..." For why should the indifferent universe care what "purposes" a particular kind of creature -- plausibly one doomed to extinction anyway -- might wish to imagine for itself? To say "the purpose we invent" is merely to say we want a particular kind of delusion while we go extinct. But there is no truth to the delusion, then.