What good is a good god, when people want an evil god?

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Re: What good is a good god, when people want an evil god?

Post by gaffo » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:15 am

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Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:01 pm
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so...................... you have not read it?
Greatest I am wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:01 pm
I do not have the time at present and do not care much about what is said of an imaginary god and his sheeple on this topic as it would all be speculative nonsense.

thanks for answering my inquiry.

i think you might like it if you read it.

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Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:01 pm
With all that has been written about Yahweh and his immoral followers, do you not think we would have highlighted it in the last 2,000 years if it was worthy?

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no, refer to "pearl before swine"

Book of Jonah is about universal humanism, there the greek polytheistic fishermen were more godly in not wish to throw Jonah overboard when the latter was sleeping soundly during the storm. even at the end of the story, Jonah is cursing God for being hot and in the sun, while the cows of Assuria are more rightious.

the author was making a point in his story, which VERY VERY few see today, all folks think of is "3 days in the belly of the whale" - crap, and equating the book with Jesus somehow. (which it has nothing to with).

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Re: What good is a good god, when people want an evil god?

Post by gaffo » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:19 am

HexHammer wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:10 pm
which is why religion will be abolished.

it already has been for about a century now.

our religion now is consumerism (buy buy buy!) and worship of technology (our savior, to fix the planet - electric cars/etc)

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Re: What good is a good god, when people want an evil god?

Post by Greatest I am » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:44 am

gaffo wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:15 am
Greatest I am wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:01 pm
gaffo wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:05 pm
[

so...................... you have not read it?
Greatest I am wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:01 pm
I do not have the time at present and do not care much about what is said of an imaginary god and his sheeple on this topic as it would all be speculative nonsense.

thanks for answering my inquiry.

i think you might like it if you read it.

Greatest I am wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:01 pm
With all that has been written about Yahweh and his immoral followers, do you not think we would have highlighted it in the last 2,000 years if it was worthy?

Regards
DL
no, refer to "pearl before swine"

Book of Jonah is about universal humanism, there the greek polytheistic fishermen were more godly in not wish to throw Jonah overboard when the latter was sleeping soundly during the storm. even at the end of the story, Jonah is cursing God for being hot and in the sun, while the cows of Assuria are more rightious.

the author was making a point in his story, which VERY VERY few see today, all folks think of is "3 days in the belly of the whale" - crap, and equating the book with Jesus somehow. (which it has nothing to with).
Things might get worse as I am told that fewer and fewer are bothering to read books at all.

I have two books on the go at present and more waiting. They are more on the more ancient days and history of religion than most are interested in.

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DL

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Re: What good is a good god, when people want an evil god?

Post by HexHammer » Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:05 am

gaffo wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:19 am
it already has been for about a century now.

our religion now is consumerism (buy buy buy!) and worship of technology (our savior, to fix the planet - electric cars/etc)
No religion are still prevalent in many areas of the world, just that it is parallel with consumerism.

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Re: What good is a good god, when people want an evil god?

Post by gaffo » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:57 am

Greatest I am wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:44 am
gaffo wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:15 am
Greatest I am wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:01 pm




thanks for answering my inquiry.

i think you might like it if you read it.




no, refer to "pearl before swine"

Book of Jonah is about universal humanism, there the greek polytheistic fishermen were more godly in not wish to throw Jonah overboard when the latter was sleeping soundly during the storm. even at the end of the story, Jonah is cursing God for being hot and in the sun, while the cows of Assuria are more rightious.

the author was making a point in his story, which VERY VERY few see today, all folks think of is "3 days in the belly of the whale" - crap, and equating the book with Jesus somehow. (which it has nothing to with).
Greatest I am wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:44 am
Things might get worse as I am told that fewer and fewer are bothering to read books at all.
sadly with dumbing down, i fear your are right.

books/reading is good!

I've had 20 yrs to read the Muhabaratta/Gig Veda/ Begivad Gita (I know a little about Inidan Polytheism) - but too lazy to read those works.

my bad, i respect reiligion in general, and it i take the time to read those works - using my mind, i would be able to affirm parts of those works as worthy, and other parts as filth.

as i did with "bible" (ot. nt) and apocriphal works, and Koran - which i read most of decades ago.

I really should take the time to read Indian works to make my own conclusions WRT to thier themes, and to affirm or reject what i read.

but though have had 20 yrs to do so have not.

that is something i'm not proud of, for i suspect there is wisdom in some of those works, and filth too - but as i said prior i've not taken the time to read those works sadly.

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Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:44 am
I have two books on the go at present and more waiting. They are more on the more ancient days and history of religion than most are interested in.
kewl! what are those works if i may ask?
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Regards
DL
regards back, - amos and jonah are both excellent works (Job is too BTW) - i highly recommend you read all three of them.

and they are not in anyway in accord with the Torah Proper mentality (supperior to)

thanks for reply Snake.

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Re: What good is a good god, when people want an evil god?

Post by gaffo » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:00 am

HexHammer wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:05 am
gaffo wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:19 am
it already has been for about a century now.

our religion now is consumerism (buy buy buy!) and worship of technology (our savior, to fix the planet - electric cars/etc)
No religion are still prevalent in many areas of the world, just that it is parallel with consumerism.
we will have to agree to dissagree here.

on the ground i see worship of consumerism and tech as God, and religion as lip service (a social archiac relic).

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Re: What good is a good god, when people want an evil god?

Post by HexHammer » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:35 am

gaffo wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:00 am
we will have to agree to dissagree here.

on the ground i see worship of consumerism and tech as God, and religion as lip service (a social archiac relic).
Now you are just being a group thinker and swayed by the saying that goes with consumerism.

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Re: What good is a good god, when people want an evil god?

Post by Greatest I am » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:34 pm

gaffo wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:57 am
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i respect reiligion in general,

and filth too -
Giggle.

You are saying you generally respect filth.

Read the following and tell us why you generally respect the mainstream religions.

Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk

Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.

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Re: What good is a good god, when people want an evil god?

Post by gaffo » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:09 pm

HexHammer wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:35 am
gaffo wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:00 am
we will have to agree to dissagree here.

on the ground i see worship of consumerism and tech as God, and religion as lip service (a social archiac relic).
Now you are just being a group thinker and swayed by the saying that goes with consumerism.
the last thing i am is a group thinker - FYI.
do you have a point to make?

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Re: What good is a good god, when people want an evil god?

Post by gaffo » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:41 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:34 pm
gaffo wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:57 am
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i respect reiligion in general,

and filth too -
Giggle.

You are saying you generally respect filth.
depends upon the filth. i like some porn and sex too.

so yesi do like some forms of filth just fine. lol.


Greatest I am wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:34 pm
Read the following and tell us why you generally respect the mainstream religions.
i refuse to placate you Sir.

1. i said i respect religious works - some of them - other religious works i'm a-ok to use to wipe shit from my ass - Leviticus is pure shit - through and through, it is also a religious work.

i have a mind to determine the worth of each work, without interference from "mainstream religion"/asshate Bishops/etc.

2. i have no respect of "mainline religion" - those constructs are all about "social power" no different that National Governments or Transnational Corporations - goal of all of them is self agrandizement/personal power to the 1-percenters in those constructs.

so anything some "bigwig" say about the bible i hear and then judge via me and myself as valid or bullshit.

3. I said i have respect for Religion - i.e. tenents written about in books - after using my mind and agreeing with - concur with. i don't give a shit what some Pope or other "mainline" religious pompus ahole appointed one says about religious works.


Greatest I am wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:34 pm
Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.
yes, and? i do think Saul affirms slavery as legal in this world - so owning one is a-ok - and say "hey slave it is ok, when you die you will go to heaven so no worries".

i am not aware of the Koran affirming slavery, site if so to educate me, otherwise retract you assursion WRT to the Koran in the interest if Accuracy.


Greatest I am wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:34 pm

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds.
yes - agree.
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:34 pm

That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.
pure bullshit. I do think Jesus affirmed good works over blind faith (I think he was an Essene Nationalist, wishing to remove Roman Rule from Israel too)- and his brother was right "faith without works is dead".

so any Muslim/Jew/ or even Hindu that does "good works" - instead of "looking rightious - shouting on the street corner! (that is a reference to Hypocracy - which i think Jersus hated more than anything else in this world). I think he was a Jew, but would side with a humble Hindu doing good (i.e. you worship the wrong God, but you live right) over a self rightious Jew/Christian (you worship the right God, but are a hypocrite - recite the right worlds, commit all fllth the 5 sec before death - repent! - lol).

sao, ya there are mostly hypocrites in ALL religions, but there are also good folks that do good works too - to i condemn hypocrites, not religions.

Greatest I am wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:34 pm
Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.
I know quite alot about Gnostic - as you know - i read some of their "lost" works 20 yrs ago.

Gnostics had a different view of who was God - Sophia - the mother Goddess, who birthed YHWH and her "better son" Jesus.

so? I know the doctrines of Gnosticism(s) - and again and?

you will find hypocrites in all faiths.

an example of a Gnostic hypocrite would be assuming he/she as no need to educate others not informed of their beliefs because they were born with lesser souls and so unable by nature to find God/salvation.

i bet you - knowing human hypocrisy - which rules the world - then and now - MOST Gnostics were just that - no more nor less - same percentage of Hypocrites as any other faith.


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Re: What good is a good god, when people want an evil god?

Post by Greatest I am » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:25 pm

gaffo wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:41 pm
Greatest I am wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:34 pm
gaffo wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:57 am
[
i respect reiligion in general,

and filth too -
Giggle.

You are saying you generally respect filth.
depends upon the filth. i like some porn and sex too.

so yesi do like some forms of filth just fine. lol.


Greatest I am wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:34 pm
Read the following and tell us why you generally respect the mainstream religions.
i refuse to placate you Sir.

1. i said i respect religious works - some of them - other religious works i'm a-ok to use to wipe shit from my ass - Leviticus is pure shit - through and through, it is also a religious work.

i have a mind to determine the worth of each work, without interference from "mainstream religion"/asshate Bishops/etc.

2. i have no respect of "mainline religion" - those constructs are all about "social power" no different that National Governments or Transnational Corporations - goal of all of them is self agrandizement/personal power to the 1-percenters in those constructs.

so anything some "bigwig" say about the bible i hear and then judge via me and myself as valid or bullshit.

3. I said i have respect for Religion - i.e. tenents written about in books - after using my mind and agreeing with - concur with. i don't give a shit what some Pope or other "mainline" religious pompus ahole appointed one says about religious works.


Greatest I am wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:34 pm
Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.
yes, and? i do think Saul affirms slavery as legal in this world - so owning one is a-ok - and say "hey slave it is ok, when you die you will go to heaven so no worries".

i am not aware of the Koran affirming slavery, site if so to educate me, otherwise retract you assursion WRT to the Koran in the interest if Accuracy.


Greatest I am wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:34 pm

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds.
yes - agree.
Greatest I am wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:34 pm

That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.
pure bullshit. I do think Jesus affirmed good works over blind faith (I think he was an Essene Nationalist, wishing to remove Roman Rule from Israel too)- and his brother was right "faith without works is dead".

so any Muslim/Jew/ or even Hindu that does "good works" - instead of "looking rightious - shouting on the street corner! (that is a reference to Hypocracy - which i think Jersus hated more than anything else in this world). I think he was a Jew, but would side with a humble Hindu doing good (i.e. you worship the wrong God, but you live right) over a self rightious Jew/Christian (you worship the right God, but are a hypocrite - recite the right worlds, commit all fllth the 5 sec before death - repent! - lol).

sao, ya there are mostly hypocrites in ALL religions, but there are also good folks that do good works too - to i condemn hypocrites, not religions.

Greatest I am wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:34 pm
Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.
I know quite alot about Gnostic - as you know - i read some of their "lost" works 20 yrs ago.

Gnostics had a different view of who was God - Sophia - the mother Goddess, who birthed YHWH and her "better son" Jesus.

so? I know the doctrines of Gnosticism(s) - and again and?

you will find hypocrites in all faiths.

an example of a Gnostic hypocrite would be assuming he/she as no need to educate others not informed of their beliefs because they were born with lesser souls and so unable by nature to find God/salvation.

i bet you - knowing human hypocrisy - which rules the world - then and now - MOST Gnostics were just that - no more nor less - same percentage of Hypocrites as any other faith.


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On your query on Islam and it's slave wanting ideology.

All Muslims are called upon to submit to Allah just as all Christians are called upon to obey.
I see those as analogies, If you do not then I cannot help that.

Further, Muslims say that Yahweh and Allah are the same god. You are giving their god and the Christian god different attributes where none should exist if both gods are the same god.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYV7KWQ-fY4

"sao, ya there are mostly hypocrites in ALL religions, but there are also good folks that do good works too - to i condemn hypocrites, not religions."

Yet it is the religions that produce the evils of homophobia and misogyny with their vile teachings.

You cannot separate a religion from it's immoral tenets.

"Gnostics had a different view of who was God - Sophia - the mother Goddess, who birthed YHWH and her "better son" Jesus.
so? I know the doctrines of Gnosticism(s) - and again and?"

Eh, you are mixing our myths, which we do not read literally, with out beliefs so I would not say that you know what we believe well at all.

We hold absolutely no supernatural beliefs at all and read all myths as metaphor.

We are of the older and more intelligent school that says nothing can be known of the supernatural. Not even that it exists, let alone have some god in it.

Best to ask a modern Gnostic Christian what his doctrine is as the inquisitors did a lot of lying to justify their many inquisitions and murders.

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Re: What good is a good god, when people want an evil god?

Post by gaffo » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:24 pm

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Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:25 pm

On your query on Islam and it's slave wanting ideology.

All Muslims are called upon to submit to Allah just as all Christians are called upon to obey.
??

latter call upon Jebuss and/or YHWH.

AND?

I asked you if the Koran affirms Slavery, nothing more, you did not give a a Ya nor Nay on this particular.


Greatest I am wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:25 pm

Further, Muslims say that Yahweh and Allah are the same god.

Koran was written by several folks living in Iraq (so they only knew of YHWH as God) - Muhammad may have had a say in what was written or not orally - its said he was not literate. however he knew fully of Judaism and Christianity - having been exposed to those folks via his dad.

so ya!

YHWH = Allah


the theology of the Torah is identical to that of the Koran!

Christianity is the odd one out on that account.



Greatest I am wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:25 pm
You are giving their god and the Christian god different attributes where none should exist


Who-TF are you talking to here?

not me clearly.


Greatest I am wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:25 pm
Eh, you are mixing our myths, which we do not read literally,
I'm not mixing anything, there are 365 version of Gnostics, and know much about the general tenents.

so don't give me that shit - ie i know nothing about Gnostics.

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Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:25 pm
with out beliefs so I would not say that you know what we believe well at all.
nice, so you not only slam Christians you slam Muslims and Athiests too.

even if we know something about Gnosticism.


Greatest I am wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:25 pm
We hold absolutely no supernatural beliefs at all and read all myths as metaphor.
you may not, other Gnostics - all 100 of them today - may.

Greatest I am wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:25 pm
We are of the older and more intelligent school that says nothing can be known of the supernatural. Not even that it exists, let alone have some god in it.
Judaism is older than your Faith.
Greatest I am wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:25 pm
Best to ask a modern Gnostic Christian what his doctrine is as the inquisitors did a lot of lying to justify their many inquisitions and murders.

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DL
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Re: What good is a good god, when people want an evil god?

Post by Greatest I am » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:43 pm

"I asked you if the Koran affirms Slavery, nothing more, you did not give a a Ya nor Nay on this particular."

I showed where adherents are to submit to the will of Allah.

What is that if not slavery?

A slave can be killed with impunity and Muslim men slave their women to themselves to the point of where they can honor kill them with impunity.

Do ypou see that as slavery?

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