Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:03 pm
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:47 pm
Logic, mathematics, and language do not exist ontologically (materially or physically).
You just said that they do.
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:03 pm
Programs are physical
Do you deny the fact that me uttering the English phrase "Google, turn on the lights" is the direct cause of the lights in my house actually turning on?
If my language does not exist materially/physically/ontologically, then how the fuck did the light turn on?
It wasn't your language, it was certain sounds the digital output of an A to D converter was programmed to respond to. When language is used to communicate it is the meaning of the words that are communicated. Your Google program does not know the meaning of a single word you uttered and could have been programmed to perform the same function using the sounds, "wimee, dimee, wappa, doppa," which are sounds with no meaning whatsoever, and no language.
[An A to D converter changes an analog signal (sound) to a digital output so it can be processed by a digital processor. The digital processor in voice controlled devices is programmed to respond to certain digital values represented by the output of the D to A converter. The same method is used in all voice controlled and communication devices, like your cell phone. In the case of the cell phone the digital information is transmitted, along with other digital information in the form of packets of data. At the receiving end, the other information in the packet is stripped off and the digital information representing the sound is sent to D to A converter (digital to analog) to produce the sound. During the whole process, there is no language.]