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A ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN

Post by Dachshund » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:58 pm

Feminism set a very bad example for women. The instigators of the movement in the academy were very bitter and twisted, screwed up human beings.And as for the countless reams of gender feminist theory they produced, the verdict of empirical science today is that it was all BULLSHIT, that is, gender is NOT socially constructed. Moreover,( to paraphrase Nietzsche), feminism was one of the worst developments in the general uglification of the West in the 20th century. Fat chicks with foul mouths, boy's haircuts, hairy legs and armpits would give all normal men the kind of erectile dysfunction ( i.e; "soft cock syndrome") that even six 100mg Viagra tablets couldn't "straighten out."

As a counter - example of an intelligent, tasteful, civilised, attractive and eminently liberated woman, I give you the late Baroness Margaret Thatcher (one of my heroes). The following quote of hers from 1987 says it all...


"Ladies and Gentlemen, I stand before you tonight in my pink chiffon evening gown, my face softly made up, my fair hair gently waved...the IRON LADY of the Western world."

Now THAT, is what I call class !


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Re: A ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN

Post by Nick_A » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:58 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:58 pm
Feminism set a very bad example for women. The instigators of the movement in the academy were very bitter and twisted, screwed up human beings.And as for the countless reams of gender feminist theory they produced, the verdict of empirical science today is that it was all BULLSHIT, that is, gender is NOT socially constructed. Moreover,( to paraphrase Nietzsche), feminism was one of the worst developments in the general uglification of the West in the 20th century. Fat chicks with foul mouths, boy's haircuts, hairy legs and armpits would give all normal men the kind of erectile dysfunction ( i.e; "soft cock syndrome") that even six 100mg Viagra tablets couldn't "straighten out."

As a counter - example of an intelligent, tasteful, civilised, attractive and eminently liberated woman, I give you the late Baroness Margaret Thatcher (one of my heroes). The following quote of hers from 1987 says it all...


"Ladies and Gentlemen, I stand before you tonight in my pink chiffon evening gown, my face softly made up, my fair hair gently waved...the IRON LADY of the Western world."

Now THAT, is what I call class !


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Feminism is the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes. Is this a role model for women? No, since human quality is being defined by what men do. If men are ignorant of human meaning and purpose, the goal of feminism is equality of idiocy.

This is foolish even at the elementary level of reproduction. Women have the natural inclination to preserve "quality" in our species. A woman of higher quality desires and accepts only a mate of the same quality. A woman of lower quality is only attracted to image so is dominated by image. Quality should be a role model for image but the decline in social values has replaced quality with image.

I like Simone Weil not because she was a sex symbol but she had the emotional quality that compelled her to experience truth at the expense of image. Truth was more important than image. Of course Simone is an extreme example but I believe it is normal for a woman to be drawn to an emotional quality a normal man doesn't have but needs. That is why a normal man is drawn to and inspired by women of emotional quality. They not only feel the benefit of human relationships but of the relationship to our source. They project quality and men have gratitude for it. Good rump is one thing but emotional quality is something that cannot be bought. Equality is not the issue; quality is.

The world needs quality that women can inspire but it is being lost to the glorification of image, sleaze, and feminism. Thank goodness for the minority of women who still have felt and able to live with and project emotional "quality." When I am fortunate to be in the company of one I will gladly hold the door open for this person who is allowing me to remember the value of quality.

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Re: A ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN

Post by mickthinks » Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:22 pm

I'm going to recycle a post I made back in '15
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WHY DO YOU SHOUT YOUR SUBJECT HEADING AT US IN UPPERCASE? IS IT BECAUSE YOU THINK YOUR TOPICS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHER PEOPLE'S AND NEED MORE ATTENTION?

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Re: A ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN

Post by Dachshund » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:28 pm

Nick_A wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:58 pm
Dachshund wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:58 pm
Feminism set a very bad example for women. The instigators of the movement in the academy were very bitter and twisted, screwed up human beings.And as for the countless reams of gender feminist theory they produced, the verdict of empirical science today is that it was all BULLSHIT, that is, gender is NOT socially constructed. Moreover,( to paraphrase Nietzsche), feminism was one of the worst developments in the general uglification of the West in the 20th century. Fat chicks with foul mouths, boy's haircuts, hairy legs and armpits would give all normal men the kind of erectile dysfunction ( i.e; "soft cock syndrome") that even six 100mg Viagra tablets couldn't "straighten out."

As a counter - example of an intelligent, tasteful, civilised, attractive and eminently liberated woman, I give you the late Baroness Margaret Thatcher (one of my heroes). The following quote of hers from 1987 says it all...


"Ladies and Gentlemen, I stand before you tonight in my pink chiffon evening gown, my face softly made up, my fair hair gently waved...the IRON LADY of the Western world."

Now THAT, is what I call class !


Regards


Dachshund
Feminism is the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes. Is this a role model for women? No,

This is foolish even at the elementary level of reproduction. Women have the natural inclination to preserve "quality" in our species. A woman of higher quality desires and accepts only a mate of the same quality. A woman of lower quality is only attracted to image so is dominated by image. Quality should be a role model for image but the decline in social values has replaced quality with image.

I like Simone Weil not because she was a sex symbol but she had the emotional quality that compelled her to experience truth at the expense of image. Truth was more important than image. Of course Simone is an extreme example but I believe it is normal for a woman to be drawn to an emotional quality a normal man doesn't have but needs. That is why a normal man is drawn to and inspired by women of emotional quality. They not only feel the benefit of human relationships but of the relationship to our source. They project quality and men have gratitude for it. Good rump is one thing but emotional quality is something that cannot be bought. Equality is not the issue; quality is.


The world needs quality that women can inspire but it is being lost to the glorification of image, sleaze, and feminism. Thank goodness for the minority of women who still have felt and able to live with and project emotional "quality." When I am fortunate to be in the company of one I will gladly hold the door open for this person who is allowing me to remember the value of quality.

(1) Yes, Simone Weil had a very special emotional quality; namely, she was a neurotic, borderline psychotic - flake. She died quite young, if I recall, on account of her own radical stupidity. Her prose was riddled with religious delusions/mysticism and socialist ideology- pure jibberish. (BTW, I wouldn't rate Simone Weil as a "sex symbol", more a spooky, quasi-intellectual dork.

(2) The fundamental assumption upon which 2nd and 3rd generation feminist was based was equality; i.e; that women and men were equal (in the sense of being "the same"). But Kermit D. Frog could tell you that they are NOT equal - for from it- either biologically i.e; when regarded as sexes) nor are they equal in the sense of gender ( i.e; mentally/psychologically). There is now hard empirical neuro-scientific data that has destroyed the gender feminist thesis permanently. As to the male sex being different from the female sex, even a fried egg has the IQ to grasp that they most certainly are; women don't have penises, men don't have tits, Got it? Do you have any ideal at all how much social damage feminism brought to bear in the West. In the US, for example it effectively destroyed the institution of heterosexual, monogamous, Christian marriage and the nuclear family unit that had for 6,000 years had been the critical foundation of every civilized human society that ever emerged. The result was thousand of kid bought up by single women in broken homes. The kids - lots of them- ended up with serious psychiatric disorders (major depression, anxiety conitions, substans abuse personality disorder) they dropped out of school and ended up on welfare - lives totally ruined. The single mother had to go on welfare as well because they could not longer cope financially without a bread winner in the house. Then there is the evil abortion industry, that was another of gender feminism's achievements

(3) I don't know what you mean by the term "emotional quality".


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Re: A ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN

Post by Nick_A » Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:17 pm

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(1) Yes, Simone Weil had a very special emotional quality; namely, she was a neurotic, borderline psychotic - flake. She died quite young, if I recall, on account of her own radical stupidity. Her prose was riddled with religious delusions/mysticism and socialist ideology- pure jibberish. (BTW, I wouldn't rate Simone Weil as a "sex symbol", more a spooky, quasi-intellectual dork.
You are with the majority who believe the search for truth at the expense of pleasure is neurotic. She began being a neurotic at an early age. For example:

Excerpted from a letter Simone Weil wrote on May 15, 1942 in Marseilles, France to her close friend Father Perrin:
At fourteen I fell into one of those fits of bottomless despair that come with adolescence, and I seriously thought of dying because of the mediocrity of my natural faculties. The exceptional gifts of my brother, who had a childhood and youth comparable to those of Pascal, brought my own inferiority home to me. I did not mind having no visible successes, but what did grieve me was the idea of being excluded from that transcendent kingdom to which only the truly great have access and wherein truth abides. I preferred to die rather than live without that truth.
Of course this is considered absurd for the modern woman who is concerned with their image at the expense of truth.

Jacob Needleman asked in his book “Lost Christianity:” does there exist in man a natural attraction to truth and to the struggle for truth that is stronger than the natural attraction to pleasure?

Simone had this need but you are with the majority who would consider it neurotic.
I don't know what you mean by the term "emotional quality".
We have no difficulty accepting the idea of intellectual quality in math or chess for example. The correct answer reveals the quality of our assumption. However there is no such standard with emotion. Those who are able have to feel its quality. Emotional quality is a measure of objective values. When a person feels the truth of and is guided by objective values they have emotional quality.

A woman with objective quality for example would feel the value of respect for life as a whole and her life would reflect this value. This is emotional understanding. The intellect compares while the emotions feel value when they haven’t been corrupted by an acquired slavery to negative emotions.

Sacrifice for truth is not normal but even abnormality can be appreciated and people can gain in understanding from it:

Existentialist philosopher Albert Camus in a letter to Weil's mother in 1951:
Simone Weil, I still know this now, is the only great mind of our times and I hope that those who realize this have enough modesty to not try to appropriate her overwhelming witnessing.

For my part, I would be satisfied if one could say that in my place, with the humble means at my disposal, I served to make known and disseminate her work whose full impact we have yet to measure.

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Re: A ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN

Post by Lacewing » Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:59 pm

I saw this topic and thought "Oh brother... what dingdong ideas are being blasted at women now?" :lol:

I tend to think that ideals for women are the same as for all of humanity: strive for awareness, truth, balance, and love. I don't think genders have to adopt certain roles as determined by society or religion. Of course men and women have differences... but they are both to be valued at the same level. Men should not be held up as more valuable than women, and vice versa. However, hairy hordes of men HAVE steered things in such a way...putting themselves in charge. It's idiotic...and it causes an extreme backlash and distorted evolution. They run everyone into the ground with such a lop-sided agenda and unchecked war-like mentality, because it ignores all the balancing and insightful and healing skills and value that women offer from their own abilities. How hateful, that men would cut off the feminine...subdue it and bury it...so afraid of it, they must be!!!

Witchy women UNITE! :D Either publicly or privately, and overthrow male tyranny. Seek out men who understand the power and necessity of balance, and support those men, for they are more wise than most: wizards rather than war-mongers.

These are some good ideals for men and women. Playing and loving together with balanced mastery for the greatest good. No roles required.

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Re: A ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN

Post by Nick_A » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:01 am

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They run everyone into the ground with such a lop-sided agenda and unchecked war-like mentality, because it ignores all the balancing and insightful and healing skills and value that women offer from their own abilities. How hateful, that men would cut off the feminine...subdue it and bury it...so afraid of it, they must be!!!
If this is the case there is no way a feminist whose stated goal is equality in stupidity should be a role model for young women.

Who is cutting off the feminine more: men or the feminists? Men of quality will always support the feminine. They know how valuable its influence is in the world. The feminists will seek to turn them into feminists obsessed with equality in negativity.

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Re: A ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN

Post by Lacewing » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:32 am

Nick_A wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:01 am
Who is cutting off the feminine more: men or the feminists?
Not really sure what difference that makes. Who has been around longer? My issue is with MEN telling WOMEN that they are inferior. That has been going on for a very long time. I see feminism as an outcome of that distortion and aggression... so it seems that BLAMING feminism NOW is simply another way of such MEN continuing their march across the wastelands created by male egos and ignorance. :D

Male...female...doesn't really matter. We're sacred beings who suffer the consequences of our games.

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Re: A ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN

Post by Nick_A » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:12 pm

Lacewing wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:32 am
Nick_A wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:01 am
Who is cutting off the feminine more: men or the feminists?
Not really sure what difference that makes. Who has been around longer? My issue is with MEN telling WOMEN that they are inferior. That has been going on for a very long time. I see feminism as an outcome of that distortion and aggression... so it seems that BLAMING feminism NOW is simply another way of such MEN continuing their march across the wastelands created by male egos and ignorance. :D

Male...female...doesn't really matter. We're sacred beings who suffer the consequences of our games.
I would agree that since men are not men women are not women. As a result humanity becomes a distortion of its potential. This raises the obvious question of the ideal role model for men and women. We don't know so it becomes a battle of Oprahisms and feelgood platitudes. Unfortunately the value of the question remains untouched.

P.S. Who told you that we were sacred beings? There is nothing to indicate that it is true.

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Re: A ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN

Post by Lacewing » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:03 pm

Nick_A wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:12 pm
the ideal role model for men and women
You clearly are obsessed with that idea, perhaps so that you can accuse people of being outside of their role...or not aspiring to their role. I think roles are fantasy... we make them up... we play them out... and we can change them. So, it appears to me that they don't really matter. What matters more is the agreement we make with others. Each agrees to do various things to work together, but gender is not an issue unless the task requires something that only one gender can physically do (like have a baby).
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Who told you that we were sacred beings? There is nothing to indicate that it is true.
Just a lifelong sense that I've had of beings and life. Nature (throughout all) reflects a certain sacredness to me... when it is not squashed and contorted with egos. Nature can indicate/teach/inspire all kinds of truths when we are attentive to it.

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Re: A ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN

Post by Nick_A » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:18 pm

Lacewing wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:03 pm
Nick_A wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:12 pm
the ideal role model for men and women
You clearly are obsessed with that idea, perhaps so that you can accuse people of being outside of their role...or not aspiring to their role. I think roles are fantasy... we make them up... we play them out... and we can change them. So, it appears to me that they don't really matter. What matters more is the agreement we make with others. Each agrees to do various things to work together, but gender is not an issue unless the task requires something that only one gender can physically do (like have a baby).
Nick_A wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:12 pm
Who told you that we were sacred beings? There is nothing to indicate that it is true.
Just a lifelong sense that I've had of beings and life. Nature (throughout all) reflects a certain sacredness to me... when it is not squashed and contorted with egos. Nature can indicate/teach/inspire all kinds of truths when we are attentive to it.
There is no reason to accuse anyone of anything. I believe in ideals. I can wonder what the ideal Man is and realize that it isn't me. It inspires humility and the desire to better oneself. The point is that I may not know what the ideal Man is but it doesn't stop me from contemplating what it is and admitting it isn't me.

An interesting question. Is Man a creature of the earth or did the essence of man devolve from above? This raises the question if objective meaning and purpose for Man is an expression of nature or from a higher level of reality that reconciles nature with its source?

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Re: A ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN

Post by Lacewing » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:49 pm

Nick_A wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:18 pm
There is no reason to accuse anyone of anything. I believe in ideals. I can wonder what the ideal Man is and realize that it isn't me. It inspires humility and the desire to better oneself. The point is that I may not know what the ideal Man is but it doesn't stop me from contemplating what it is and admitting it isn't me.
Haven't you (many times) identified what these supposed ideals are, and pointed out to people that they are NOT that?
Nick_A wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:18 pm
An interesting question. Is Man a creature of the earth or did the essence of man devolve from above?
Would it make a difference? Are there any other options?
Nick_A wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:18 pm
This raises the question if objective meaning and purpose for Man is an expression of nature or from a higher level of reality that reconciles nature with its source?
Again, would it make a difference? It doesn't seem likely to me that we can describe such things in human terms... although we may try. It's like trying to describe something so much more vast and capable than the very limited logic and language that the human can decipher.

Being human requires (it seems) many superficial structures and ideas in order to be a human in the physical realm on Earth. Then we put a bunch of energy into imagining what it's like beyond that. :lol: Why would the content and dynamics of an ocean matter to an ant? That "vast ocean" for us is probably VERY DIFFERENT from the way we think, and UNLIMITED in scope and capability. 8) I try to appreciate this life/physical experience... and see what I can do with it... because at some point, I won't be here anymore. Sometimes it's very painful and sad to be a human... most of us have been through lots of that... but it's also exhilarating to experience all of the sensory and physically interactive components. I want to make the best of it. I trust that's a good use of it. :)

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Re: A ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN

Post by Dachshund » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:29 pm

Nick_A wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:18 pm


There is no reason to accuse anyone of anything. I believe in ideals. I can wonder what the ideal Man is and realize that it isn't me. It inspires humility and the desire to better oneself. The point is that I may not know what the ideal Man is but it doesn't stop me from contemplating what it is and admitting it isn't me.
You can wonder about what the nature of the "ldeal man" might be, Nick, but I think you will be wasting your time.

Because it seems to me the question is very much "What would a Perfect/Ideal button or shirt look like ?" Would the perfect button be round or square? What colour would it be ? What material would it be made from ? What would be the length of its diameter ? etc, etc. As for the perfect shirt...would it be long or short sleeved ?, What colour/s would it be, how many buttons (if any) would it have, what kind of collar would it have ? Would it be made of cotton, silk, plastic or something else ? Would it have a pocket or pockets, and if so how many and what style


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Re: A ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN

Post by Nick_A » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:07 pm

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Haven't you (many times) identified what these supposed ideals are, and pointed out to people that they are NOT that?
I really haven’t written of ideals. I have written about the human condition described by Plato as living in a cave attached to the shadows on the wall unable to turn towards the light but fixated on image. That is what the Secular Intolerance thread was about – the glorification of image as truth and the denial of the light.
Nick_A wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:18 pm
This raises the question if objective meaning and purpose for Man is an expression of nature or from a higher level of reality that reconciles nature with its source?

Again, would it make a difference? It doesn't seem likely to me that we can describe such things in human terms... although we may try. It's like trying to describe something so much more vast and capable than the very limited logic and language that the human can decipher.
It makes a difference as far as human conscious evolution. If the essence of Man originated exclusively on the earth as animal Man then the evolution of Man is the cycle of dust to dust. If however man is dual natured having a higher part that involved from above, the seed of the soul, conscious evolution is the maturation of and return to the source of this higher part. Man has the obligation to nurture this seed which cannot be done through lies. The seed of the soul feeds on truth.

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Re: A ROLE MODEL FOR WOMEN

Post by Nick_A » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:17 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:29 pm
Nick_A wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:18 pm


There is no reason to accuse anyone of anything. I believe in ideals. I can wonder what the ideal Man is and realize that it isn't me. It inspires humility and the desire to better oneself. The point is that I may not know what the ideal Man is but it doesn't stop me from contemplating what it is and admitting it isn't me.
You can wonder about what the nature of the "ldeal man" might be, Nick, but I think you will be wasting your time.

Because it seems to me the question is very much "What would a Perfect/Ideal button or shirt look like ?" Would the perfect button be round or square? What colour would it be ? What material would it be made from ? What would be the length of its diameter ? etc, etc. As for the perfect shirt...would it be long or short sleeved ?, What colour/s would it be, how many buttons (if any) would it have, what kind of collar would it have ? Would it be made of cotton, silk, plastic or something else ? Would it have a pocket or pockets, and if so how many and what style


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You are writing of external qualities but the ideal man must be defined by inner qualities. Are you familiar with the philosopher king described by Plato? This would IMO be the ideal Man. He would have the quality of evolved reason reflecting universal truths and the emotional maturity to support it along with the body capable of carrying our the desires of he mind.
“The philosopher whose dealings are with divine order himself acquires the characteristics of order and divinity.”
-Plato, The Republic

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