Oh, I didn't realise that's what you were going for.
I thought you were speaking truth or something
Oh, I didn't realise that's what you were going for.
Would you say you know all the reasons an airplane works when it doesn't fail?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 4:09 pm They do know the reason they work when they do not fail, which was my only point.
No, they don't know. They believe they know. They are even probably certain they know.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 4:09 pmThey do know the reason they work when they do not fail, which was my only point.Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:22 am Nobody knows all possible causes of failure of a cellphone.
That is tantamount to saying, "if you don't know everything, than you don't know anything," which would mean, since no one is omniscient, no one can know anything. I know that is the view of some. I hope it is not yours. The answer to your question is very simple. If you know how a thing is supposed to work and it does work, you know it worked because nothing that could prevent it from working has occurred, and you don't need to know what those things are that could prevent it from working.Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 7:59 pm How could you know the reason something works if you don't know all the reasons it could possibly fail?
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 2:07 amThat is tantamount to saying, "if you don't know everything, than you don't know anything,"Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 7:59 pm How could you know the reason something works if you don't know all the reasons it could possibly fail?
I know some things but there are things I don't know. I know my computer seems to working properly but maybe it isn't. I sure know some good reasons that it should work properly but I don't know of all the myriad of reasons that it would not.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 2:07 am which would mean, since no one is omniscient, no one can know anything.
Except you don't know it's working properly. You may think it is working properly. You may even be certain. Yet, you don't know.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 2:07 am The answer to your question is very simple. If you know how a thing is supposed to work and it does work, you know it worked because nothing that could prevent it from working has occurred, and you don't need to know what those things are that could prevent it from working.
This is a retrospective view on things. Look at all your verbs - they are past tense.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 2:07 am If you know how a thing is supposed to work and it does work, you know it worked because nothing that could prevent it from working has occurred, and you don't need to know what those things are that could prevent it from working.
This is a prospective view on things. Your verbs are in present-continuous tense.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 2:07 am If you are familiar with ohms law, the voltage in a DC circuit is determined by the current times the resistance (IR). If you are designing a circuit and want there to be a certain current, you design it so the voltage divided by the resistance (E/R) equals the desired current.
99% of the time your parachute works every time!
Well, it does - actually. You ought to know when/how the models you depend on for achieving your goal stops working.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 2:07 am Knowing all or any of the reasons it might not work will not change your knowing why it does work.
Not really. "If you know (present tense) how a thing is supposed to work and it does work (present tense), you know (present tense) it worked (past tense, but 'works' would have the same meaning) because nothing that could prevent(present tense) it from working has occurred (past tense, but "exists" would mean the same thing), and you don't need to know (present tense) what those things are (present tense) that could prevent (present tense) it from working."Univalence wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 11:22 amLook at all your verbs - they are past tense.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 2:07 am If you know how a thing is supposed to work and it does work, you know it worked because nothing that could prevent it from working has occurred, and you don't need to know what those things are that could prevent it from working.
I'm sorry I have no idea what you are talking about here. There is no such thing as induction, there is only observation (sometimes mistaken for induction), identification and deduction.Univalence wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 11:22 am What Shannon was pointing at was the same thing all philosophers end up pointing at: the problem of induction
If Ohm's law did not hold at all temperatures, a change in current or voltage due to a change in resistance caused by a change in temperature could not occur.
Who's "we." You have no idea what I know knowledge is.
That's fallaciously incomplete. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Ah well. I can live with it. Quite happily too.
You have no idea what ANYTHING "is". What is a cat? An animal. What is an animal? An organism.What is an organism? You are perpetually asking "What is X?". The exact same problem appears when you self-reference knowledge by proposing that 'Knowledge is X'. This is the problem with all foundationalism - the 'define X' game is infinite and all language is (ultimately) circular.
Perhaps that is a problem for you. It is not for me.
Great. Then you will tell us the answer to "What is knowledge?" without circularities or contradictions then?
Sure! When you answer the question, "what is quantum physics," without any interpretation.Univalence wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 2:51 pm Great. Then you will tell us the answer to "What is knowledge?" without circularities or contradictions then?
I am afraid you are going to have to lead the way here. I already admitted to being unable to answer "What is X" questions in any meaningful way.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 5:01 pm Sure! When you answer the question, "what is quantum physics," without any interpretation.
I don't know how I live. But that I do is not in doubt. I just follow my intuition a lot.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 5:01 pm If you do not know what knowledge is, how do you live, since you do not know if what you think and believe is knowledge or not?
No, I know what epistemology does. I don't know what knowledge is. What you write about doesn't strike me as "epistemology".RCSaunders wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 5:01 pm Because I am going to assume your question is an honest one, here are two links. One is an introduction of epistemology that briefly describes what knowledge is, the second is a more detailed explanation of basic epistemology.
Both articles are mine.