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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Arising_uk » Fri May 17, 2019 12:10 pm

Dachshund wrote:... Now, here's the difficult part... According to the science ( the genetic, etc; science to date) IT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE HUMAN IQ IS PREDOMINANTLY BIOLOGICALLY ( GENETICALLY) DETERMINED. ...
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And yet when I asked you if you'd be happy with the Asian running things as they have a higher IQ score than the White you replied that those tests were on American Asians so presumably you think that culture and education changes IQ?

You'd also have to explain why it is that is you practice IQ tests you get better at them?
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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Arising_uk » Fri May 17, 2019 12:14 pm

Dachshund wrote:... The same principle applies with a "racial" group like the African-Americans, at present they do not perform all that well academically as a group; but by providing them with, say, individualised tutoring, modern high-tech learning aids, enrichment resources and so on, we could easily eliminate the gap in educational performance between white American kids and Black American kids. ...
So your explanation as to why the poorest white working class boys are the lowest attainers in the British education system are just that they are the thickest?

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Arising_uk » Fri May 17, 2019 12:30 pm

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The problem is this, and lets look at Black African immigrants and Afro - Americans who were born in the US. (I'm going to call them an ethnic group, because , if you want to get all nit-picky and technical, it's true that Black Africans should not be referred to as "race", "race" is not valid scientific concept. So it's incorrect to say the "Latino race" or the "Chinese race" or the white European race", or the "African American race" even though in the majority of cases everyone can identify these "racial" groups quite quickly by their biological features). Members of any ethnic group have an innate natural tendency to socialise and reside with each other, and so they automatically tend to form black neighbourhoods and black suburbs and even black cities. A perfect example is Detroit. In the 1950's, it population was 1.8 million and over 90 white European American. Today, the population of Detroit is 700,000 and it is around 90% black. In 1950 Detroit was a boom town, with a excellent and well-maintained infrastructure, the city's finances were in good order, people had jobs - it was a good place to live. Today, Detroit is officially bankrupt, is has the second highest murder rate in the US, it infrastructure has been trashed, crime and drug abuse is rampant, vast swathes of the city are filled with 1000's of abandoned houses and buildings, basically its a third world shit-hole (as President Trump would say) Why ? The answer is AVERAGE IQ, the average IQ of Black Sub-Saharan African is 70 (which equates to mild mental retardation) and the AVERAGE IQ of Afro-Americans is 85 (one full standard deviation below the average IQ for white European American. So from the moment that the population of Detroit became black, the average IQ of the city began to fall, and it kept falling as the black majority grew. I don't know what the average IQ of Detroit is today, but it would be somewhere between 70 and 85 points. As the average IQ of the City began falling, the population became less and less able to build and main essential infrastructure, they didn't have the mental capacities to problem-solve, plan for the future, organise, manage, govern and, in short, everything the white Europeans handed to the Blacks of Detroit ( a nice, well-running, prosperous, "spic and span") was just totally TRASHED.
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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Dachshund » Fri May 17, 2019 5:20 pm

Arising_uk wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 12:10 pm
Dachshund wrote:... Now, here's the difficult part... According to the science ( the genetic, etc; science to date) IT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE HUMAN IQ IS PREDOMINANTLY BIOLOGICALLY ( GENETICALLY) DETERMINED. ...
Dachshund
And yet when I asked you if you'd be happy with the Asian running things as they have a higher IQ score than the White you replied that those tests were on American Asians so presumably you think that culture and education changes IQ?

You'd also have to explain why it is that is you practice IQ tests you get better at them?
Intelligence as measured by IQ tests is determined by BOTH innate genetic factors AND external environmental factors (for example social factors). So the person you are right now - all of your personal biological attributes (tiny dick, etc.) and all of your personal behaviour (i.e; wanking, watching porn) and all of your personal mental attributes ( low intelligence, "BIG 5" personality traits, characterological traits, homosexual fantasising :) ) are the result of gene X environment interactions of various kinds. I did NOT say that human intelligence as measured by IQ tests is 100% genetically determined. NO ONE says that ! What I said was that according to a number of eminent genetic scientists, intelligence as measured by IQ test is largely/predominantly genetically determined. The American Psychological Association, a very reputable and conservative professional body states that the heritability (i.e; the extent to which it , IQ, is genetically determined) is between 50% and 80% - that's a BIG proportion, Right? But here is, as yet, no hard, objective, empirical scientific evidence available at present to confirm this this estimate of 50-80%, and, so, in consequence, the hard left are at liberty to launch vicious attacks on any geneticist who argues that IQ is primarily biological (genetic) as being a racist, Nazi, etc (and they do !), because the immediate implication, of course, is that the lower average IQs of Black Sub - Saharan African, African-Americans, Australian aboriginals relative to white Europeans are to a large extent - HARD-WIRED - i.e; they are, in short, inherently less intelligent because they are innately inferior "races." This, of course, is pretty much what Hitler said about the Jews, and it sends the American left into fits of raving hysteria - there is "fear and loathing" in The Guardian, Vox goes "over the top", hard-core socialist nutters send death threats to the offending scientists ( if they still have a job) and so on.

The scientific data that has been collected on the intelligence of different ethnic /"Racial" groups in major studies by well-known researchers like Lynn and Jenson among others, was gathered by administering scientifically- validated IQ tests to subjects who did not have any opportunity to practice them. Typically a researcher like Lynn would roll up into a black Sub-Saharan African community then advertise that he would PAY any normal adult (i.e. adults who were not afflicted with any serious psychiatric disorder, including active substance abuse) between age 18 and 60 or whatever, £20, if they would volunteer to complete an written test in the town hall on a certain date at 10:00 am.

As to practising for an IQ test. The only IQ tests that count are the professionally constructed and administered IQ tests that are licensed by companies like Welscher and Stanford-Binet to be administered by professional psychologists/psychiatrists. These companies produce a range of IQ tests with different types of questions on them. So if you had to take a real (i.e. professional IQ test) how would you know which type of questions to swot-up on? Anyway, let's suppose that you did - I know that there is a cottage industry that provides practice and advice for persons who are required to sit real IQ tests in the US by a prospective employer; like the US Navy or ARMY. The military in America, BTW, will not accept you as a recruit if you score below 83 on a MANDATORY standardised professional IQ test. Getting back to what I was saying, IF you had a good idea of the kind of IQ test questions you would have to answer on a test, and IF you practised how to answer those questions correctly, then logically, on the day you sat the real test you could boost your score relative to what it would have been if you had sat the test "cold." The point is that "cheating" like this would on succeed in providing a falsely inflated measure of your IQ. Your IQ score would be deceptively raised above what it really is. You would NOT be anymore intelligent than you were before you coached yourself on how to answer the questions on the test

Finally as to your request for a "grown up " analysis of the destruction of Detroit. I've already told you what happened. The phenomenon responsible for the descent of Detroit, a once prosperous American boomtown, - the famous "Motor City" - into a hellish, third world landscape of urban decay, where violent crime (in particular murder) is endemic, where drug abuse, prostitution and STDs are rife, where the unemployment rate is through the roof, is called WHITE FLIGHT in the US. Basically , you had city that was 90% white in the 1950's and doing very well, then for a number of reasons, (one being a 5-day black riot in 1967 where 43 people were murdered that was so bad LBJ had to call in the National Guard to restore order) all of the whites in Detroit got spooked (can you blame them ?) and began to fuck off en masse After this, Detroit soon became a black majority metropolis, administered by (incompetent/corrupt/stupid) black politicians in the 1970's. Fast forward to 2013, Detroit declares itself bankrupt and has its financial management placed in the hands of the State of Michigan. Today, in 2019, Detroit is 90 % black and it looks like a fucking train wreck - a very bad, very nasty, train wreck, kind of like where Johannesburg is fast - heading. So, anyway, can you "connect the Detroit dots", Sherlock? Let me give you a little hint...(1) Whites all fuck off...(2) Blacks take over...(3) Detroit is dead. How's that ?

Finally, Detroit not a place I would advise you to chose for your next "holiday in the sun", Tosspot, because a pasty-faced, naive, lily- white English boy like you would almost certainly get "toasted" within 24 hours of arriving, i.e;..."Excuse me, could you tell me the way to the nearest public lavatory"?...BANG !! (sound of a .32 slug going through your forehead).


Later Tosspot


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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Fri May 17, 2019 6:08 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 5:20 pm
Arising_uk wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 12:10 pm
Dachshund wrote:... Now, here's the difficult part... According to the science ( the genetic, etc; science to date) IT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE HUMAN IQ IS PREDOMINANTLY BIOLOGICALLY ( GENETICALLY) DETERMINED. ...
Dachshund
And yet when I asked you if you'd be happy with the Asian running things as they have a higher IQ score than the White you replied that those tests were on American Asians so presumably you think that culture and education changes IQ?

You'd also have to explain why it is that is you practice IQ tests you get better at them?
Intelligence as measured by IQ tests is determined by BOTH innate genetic factors AND external environmental factors (for example social factors). So the person you are right now - all of your personal biological attributes (tiny dick, etc.) and all of your personal behaviour (i.e; wanking, watching porn) and all of your personal mental attributes ( low intelligence, "BIG 5" personality traits, characterological traits, homosexual fantasising :) ) are the result of gene X environment interactions of various kinds. I did NOT say that human intelligence as measured by IQ tests is 100% genetically determined. NO ONE says that ! What I said was that according to a number of eminent genetic scientists, intelligence as measured by IQ test is largely/predominantly genetically determined. The American Psychological Association, a very reputable and conservative professional body states that the heritability (i.e; the extent to which it , IQ, is genetically determined) is between 50% and 80% - that's a BIG proportion, Right? But here is, as yet, no hard, objective, empirical scientific evidence available at present to confirm this this estimate of 50-80%, and, so, in consequence, the hard left are at liberty to launch vicious attacks on any geneticist who argues that IQ is primarily biological (genetic) as being a racist, Nazi, etc (and they do !), because the immediate implication, of course, is that the lower average IQs of Black Sub - Saharan African, African-Americans, Australian aboriginals relative to white Europeans are to a large extent - HARD-WIRED - i.e; they are, in short, inherently less intelligent because they are innately inferior "races." This, of course, is pretty much what Hitler said about the Jews, and it sends the American left into fits of raving hysteria - there is "fear and loathing" in The Guardian, Vox goes "over the top", hard-core socialist nutters send death threats to the offending scientists ( if they still have a job) and so on.

The scientific data that has been collected on the intelligence of different ethnic /"Racial" groups in major studies by well-known researchers like Lynn and Jenson among others, was gathered by administering scientifically- validated IQ tests to subjects who did not have any opportunity to practice them. Typically a researcher like Lynn would roll up into a black Sub-Saharan African community then advertise that he would PAY any normal adult (i.e. adults who were not afflicted with any serious psychiatric disorder, including active substance abuse) between age 18 and 60 or whatever, £20, if they would volunteer to complete an written test in the town hall on a certain date at 10:00 am.

As to practising for an IQ test. The only IQ tests that count are the professionally constructed and administered IQ tests that are licensed by companies like Welscher and Stanford-Binet to be administered by professional psychologists/psychiatrists. These companies produce a range of IQ tests with different types of questions on them. So if you had to take a real (i.e. professional IQ test) how would you know which type of questions to swot-up on? Anyway, let's suppose that you did - I know that there is a cottage industry that provides practice and advice for persons who are required to sit real IQ tests in the US by a prospective employer; like the US Navy or ARMY. The military in America, BTW, will not accept you as a recruit if you score below 83 on a MANDATORY standardised professional IQ test. Getting back to what I was saying, IF you had a good idea of the kind of IQ test questions you would have to answer on a test, and IF you practised how to answer those questions correctly, then logically, on the day you sat the real test you could boost your score relative to what it would have been if you had sat the test "cold." The point is that "cheating" like this would on succeed in providing a falsely inflated measure of your IQ. Your IQ score would be deceptively raised above what it really is. You would NOT be anymore intelligent than you were before you coached yourself on how to answer the questions on the test

Finally as to your request for a "grown up " analysis of the destruction of Detroit. I've already told you what happened. The phenomenon responsible for the descent of Detroit, a once prosperous American boomtown, - the famous "Motor City" - into a hellish, third world landscape of urban decay, where violent crime (in particular murder) is endemic, where drug abuse, prostitution and STDs are rife, where the unemployment rate is through the roof, is called WHITE FLIGHT in the US. Basically , you had city that was 90% white in the 1950's and doing very well, then for a number of reasons, (one being a 5-day black riot in 1967 where 43 people were murdered that was so bad LBJ had to call in the National Guard to restore order) all of the whites in Detroit got spooked (can you blame them ?) and began to fuck off en masse After this, Detroit soon became a black majority metropolis, administered by (incompetent/corrupt/stupid) black politicians in the 1970's. Fast forward to 2013, Detroit declares itself bankrupt and has its financial management placed in the hands of the State of Michigan. Today, in 2019, Detroit is 90 % black and it looks like a fucking train wreck - a very bad, very nasty, train wreck, kind of like where Johannesburg is fast - heading. So, anyway, can you "connect the Detroit dots", Sherlock? Let me give you a little hint...(1) Whites all fuck off...(2) Blacks take over...(3) Detroit is dead. How's that ?

Finally, Detroit not a place I would advise you to chose for your next "holiday in the sun", Tosspot, because a pasty-faced, naive, lily- white English boy like you would almost certainly get "toasted" within 24 hours of arriving, i.e;..."Excuse me, could you tell me the way to the nearest public lavatory"?...BANG !! (sound of a .32 slug going through your forehead).


Later Tosspot


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I can understand why you keep mentioning that snooty old cow, the queen of ungreat Britain---the pommy royals and their toffee-nosed cronies were in love with Hitler and the Nazis. The silly, sycophantic poms have never had a clue about their own royal family.

By jove. What a hoot. Jolly japes all around old chaps.

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Arising_uk » Fri May 17, 2019 7:05 pm

Dachshund wrote:... The American Psychological Association, a very reputable and conservative professional body states that the heritability (i.e; the extent to which it , IQ, is genetically determined) is between 50% and 80% - that's a BIG proportion, Right? ...
:lol: 50%-80% is a fucking large difference.
The scientific data that has been collected on the intelligence of different ethnic /"Racial" groups in major studies by well-known researchers like Lynn and Jenson among others, was gathered by administering scientifically- validated IQ tests to subjects who did not have any opportunity to practice them. Typically a researcher like Lynn would roll up into a black Sub-Saharan African community then advertise that he would PAY any normal adult (i.e. adults who were not afflicted with any serious psychiatric disorder, including active substance abuse) between age 18 and 60 or whatever, £20, if they would volunteer to complete an written test in the town hall on a certain date at 10:00 am. ...
:lol: These would be the tests devised to measure the IQ of Americans would they?
As to practising for an IQ test. The only IQ tests that count are the professionally constructed and administered IQ tests that are licensed by companies like Welscher and Stanford-Binet to be administered by professional psychologists/psychiatrists. These companies produce a range of IQ tests with different types of questions on them. So if you had to take a real (i.e. professional IQ test) how would you know which type of questions to swot-up on? Anyway, let's suppose that you did - I know that there is a cottage industry that provides practice and advice for persons who are required to sit real IQ tests in the US by a prospective employer; like the US Navy or ARMY. The military in America, BTW, will not accept you as a recruit if you score below 83 on a MANDATORY standardised professional IQ test. Getting back to what I was saying, IF you had a good idea of the kind of IQ test questions you would have to answer on a test, and IF you practised how to answer those questions correctly, then logically, on the day you sat the real test you could boost your score relative to what it would have been if you had sat the test "cold." The point is that "cheating" like this would on succeed in providing a falsely inflated measure of your IQ. Your IQ score would be deceptively raised above what it really is. You would NOT be anymore intelligent than you were before you coached yourself on how to answer the questions on the test
:lol: Of course you would as that is what learning is about.

Still, none of this matters to my original question and that is would you be happy to put the Asians in charge then? As they by all measures have a higher IQ than white Americans.
Finally as to your request for a "grown up " analysis of the destruction of Detroit. I've already told you what happened. The phenomenon responsible for the descent of Detroit, a once prosperous American boomtown, - the famous "Motor City" - into a hellish, third world landscape of urban decay, where violent crime (in particular murder) is endemic, where drug abuse, prostitution and STDs are rife, where the unemployment rate is through the roof, is called WHITE FLIGHT in the US. Basically , you had city that was 90% white in the 1950's and doing very well, then for a number of reasons, (one being a 5-day black riot in 1967 where 43 people were murdered that was so bad LBJ had to call in the National Guard to restore order) all of the whites in Detroit got spooked (can you blame them ?) and began to fuck off en masse ...
Nicely ignoring all the points in the articles I linked to and conveniently ignoring the contribution the white managers and unionists contributed to the decline. You also ignore things like 25,000 white workers going on strike because 3 black workers were promoted to the production line, that the first riot was 4000 whites attacking 1 black family in their flat whilst the police watched on, that you white Americans deliberately stopped black Americans who also wished to flee the decline from buying houses in the suburbs. What a racist little bunch of turds you are.
After this, Detroit soon became a black majority metropolis, administered by (incompetent/corrupt/stupid) black politicians in the 1970's. Fast forward to 2013, Detroit declares itself bankrupt and has its financial management placed in the hands of the State of Michigan. Today, in 2019, Detroit is 90 % black and it looks like a fucking train wreck - a very bad, very nasty, train wreck, kind of like where Johannesburg is fast - heading. So, anyway, can you "connect the Detroit dots", Sherlock? Let me give you a little hint...(1) Whites all fuck off...(2) Blacks take over...(3) Detroit is dead. How's that ? ...
No argument that Detroit has had corrupt black officials that have made it worse but it's decline was due to inept and incompetent white Americans sitting on their fat lardy-arses thinking they were the bees-knees.
Finally, Detroit not a place I would advise you to chose for your next "holiday in the sun", Tosspot, because a pasty-faced, naive, lily- white English boy like you would almost certainly get "toasted" within 24 hours of arriving, i.e;..."Excuse me, could you tell me the way to the nearest public lavatory"?...BANG !! (sound of a .32 slug going through your forehead). ...
:lol: As if I'd ever visit the cultural desert that is the US of A.
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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Fri May 17, 2019 10:10 pm

Dachshund wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 5:20 pm
Arising_uk wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 12:10 pm
Dachshund wrote:... Now, here's the difficult part... According to the science ( the genetic, etc; science to date) IT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE HUMAN IQ IS PREDOMINANTLY BIOLOGICALLY ( GENETICALLY) DETERMINED. ...
Dachshund
And yet when I asked you if you'd be happy with the Asian running things as they have a higher IQ score than the White you replied that those tests were on American Asians so presumably you think that culture and education changes IQ?

You'd also have to explain why it is that is you practice IQ tests you get better at them?
Intelligence as measured by IQ tests is determined by BOTH innate genetic factors AND external environmental factors (for example social factors). So the person you are right now - all of your personal biological attributes (tiny dick, etc.) and all of your personal behaviour (i.e; wanking, watching porn) and all of your personal mental attributes ( low intelligence, "BIG 5" personality traits, characterological traits, homosexual fantasising :) ) are the result of gene X environment interactions of various kinds. I did NOT say that human intelligence as measured by IQ tests is 100% genetically determined. NO ONE says that ! What I said was that according to a number of eminent genetic scientists, intelligence as measured by IQ test is largely/predominantly genetically determined. The American Psychological Association, a very reputable and conservative professional body states that the heritability (i.e; the extent to which it , IQ, is genetically determined) is between 50% and 80% - that's a BIG proportion, Right? But here is, as yet, no hard, objective, empirical scientific evidence available at present to confirm this this estimate of 50-80%, and, so, in consequence, the hard left are at liberty to launch vicious attacks on any geneticist who argues that IQ is primarily biological (genetic) as being a racist, Nazi, etc (and they do !), because the immediate implication, of course, is that the lower average IQs of Black Sub - Saharan African, African-Americans, Australian aboriginals relative to white Europeans are to a large extent - HARD-WIRED - i.e; they are, in short, inherently less intelligent because they are innately inferior "races." This, of course, is pretty much what Hitler said about the Jews, and it sends the American left into fits of raving hysteria - there is "fear and loathing" in The Guardian, Vox goes "over the top", hard-core socialist nutters send death threats to the offending scientists ( if they still have a job) and so on.

The scientific data that has been collected on the intelligence of different ethnic /"Racial" groups in major studies by well-known researchers like Lynn and Jenson among others, was gathered by administering scientifically- validated IQ tests to subjects who did not have any opportunity to practice them. Typically a researcher like Lynn would roll up into a black Sub-Saharan African community then advertise that he would PAY any normal adult (i.e. adults who were not afflicted with any serious psychiatric disorder, including active substance abuse) between age 18 and 60 or whatever, £20, if they would volunteer to complete an written test in the town hall on a certain date at 10:00 am.

As to practising for an IQ test. The only IQ tests that count are the professionally constructed and administered IQ tests that are licensed by companies like Welscher and Stanford-Binet to be administered by professional psychologists/psychiatrists. These companies produce a range of IQ tests with different types of questions on them. So if you had to take a real (i.e. professional IQ test) how would you know which type of questions to swot-up on? Anyway, let's suppose that you did - I know that there is a cottage industry that provides practice and advice for persons who are required to sit real IQ tests in the US by a prospective employer; like the US Navy or ARMY. The military in America, BTW, will not accept you as a recruit if you score below 83 on a MANDATORY standardised professional IQ test. Getting back to what I was saying, IF you had a good idea of the kind of IQ test questions you would have to answer on a test, and IF you practised how to answer those questions correctly, then logically, on the day you sat the real test you could boost your score relative to what it would have been if you had sat the test "cold." The point is that "cheating" like this would on succeed in providing a falsely inflated measure of your IQ. Your IQ score would be deceptively raised above what it really is. You would NOT be anymore intelligent than you were before you coached yourself on how to answer the questions on the test

Finally as to your request for a "grown up " analysis of the destruction of Detroit. I've already told you what happened. The phenomenon responsible for the descent of Detroit, a once prosperous American boomtown, - the famous "Motor City" - into a hellish, third world landscape of urban decay, where violent crime (in particular murder) is endemic, where drug abuse, prostitution and STDs are rife, where the unemployment rate is through the roof, is called WHITE FLIGHT in the US. Basically , you had city that was 90% white in the 1950's and doing very well, then for a number of reasons, (one being a 5-day black riot in 1967 where 43 people were murdered that was so bad LBJ had to call in the National Guard to restore order) all of the whites in Detroit got spooked (can you blame them ?) and began to fuck off en masse After this, Detroit soon became a black majority metropolis, administered by (incompetent/corrupt/stupid) black politicians in the 1970's. Fast forward to 2013, Detroit declares itself bankrupt and has its financial management placed in the hands of the State of Michigan. Today, in 2019, Detroit is 90 % black and it looks like a fucking train wreck - a very bad, very nasty, train wreck, kind of like where Johannesburg is fast - heading. So, anyway, can you "connect the Detroit dots", Sherlock? Let me give you a little hint...(1) Whites all fuck off...(2) Blacks take over...(3) Detroit is dead. How's that ?

Finally, Detroit not a place I would advise you to chose for your next "holiday in the sun", Tosspot, because a pasty-faced, naive, lily- white English boy like you would almost certainly get "toasted" within 24 hours of arriving, i.e;..."Excuse me, could you tell me the way to the nearest public lavatory"?...BANG !! (sound of a .32 slug going through your forehead).


Later Tosspot


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You keep omitting the fact that atheists score well on 'IQ' tests. I'm guessing that fundamentalist American kristians wouldn't score very well in a test between them and any other group. What about about 'atheists of any ethnic group' versus American fundies?

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Dachshund » Fri May 17, 2019 11:21 pm

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Fri May 17, 2019 6:08 pm


I can understand why you keep mentioning that snooty old cow, the queen of ungreat Britain---the pommy royals and their toffee-nosed cronies were in love with Hitler and the Nazis. The silly, sycophantic poms have never had a clue about their own royal family.

By jove. What a hoot. Jolly japes all around old chaps.

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Dear Veggie,


No, the British Royals were not "in love" with Hitler and the Nazis. You are - although you don't realise it - probably thinking of Oswald Mosley and William Joyce, amongst others of their ilk.


Here's the story, pay attention Veggie , you might learn something :roll: :roll: (We can only hope :cry: )


Oswald Mosley was a British politician who became the leader of the British Union of Fascists (BUF) in 1932. Mosley's BUF had a membership of about 50,000 in the early 1930's, they hated communists and Jews and were extremely nationalistic. The meetings of the BUF were disrupted by protesters after the party was formed, so Mosley instituted a corps of paramilitary minders called the Fascist Defence Force. The FDF were nicknamed the "Blackshirts" because of the black uniforms they wore. Moseley and his "Blackshirts organised several marches through through the Jewish districts of London's East End trying to stir up shit. They were successful in this, and in 1936 one particular march through Cable Street in a Jewish neighbourhood turned particularly violent. So violent in fact that the Police Commissioner ordered it stopped. Mosley, however, continued to organise provocative BUF marches policed by his "Blackshirts" until the government eventually got fed up with him and passed a Civil Order Act banning (amongst other things) political uniforms and quasi-military style organisations.


In 1936 Mosley visited Italy to check out how Italian Fascism was working. While he was there he shared a public platform with the fascist leader Benito Mussolini. To add to his fascist credential, that same year Mosley married his mistress, Diana Guiness in Germany. The secret ceremony was held in the Berlin home of Nazi Propaganda minister, Josef Goebbels, and the special guest of honour was none other than the Fuhrer himself, Adolph Hitler.


Mosley had a son, Max, who was "the apple of his father's eye: a virulent racist and fascist. Last year in England, Max, found himself (like his father often was) in a "spot of bother" when on the 1st of March, 2018, he featured on the front page of the "The Sun", a notorious British tabloid newspaper. There for all to see, was a photograph of Max Mosley with a headline that read "THE LIAR, THE SWISH AND THE WHORE PROBLEM", and as you are a Narnia fan, Veggie, you will immediately recognise that this is a play on the title of C.S.Lewis' famous first volume of "The Narnia Chronicles", i.e; "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe." What had happened was that young Max (aged 71 :shock: ) had been caught lying about an extravagant orgy he'd organised for himself at his digs in London. This orgy was a sadomasochistic sex-fest complete with seven prostitutes he had hired dressed in Nazi uniforms and striped "concentration camp" pyjamas. The Nazi prostitutes were ordered to shout out repeatedly "We are the Aryan Master race - Blondes" (!) while they thrashed Mosley with switches as he was having sex with the other girls in a kinky "B and D" session that lasted five hours :shock: (sounds like the kind of thing you'd get up to, Veggie) Veggie . Unbeknown to Mosley the whole orgy was secretly filmed by a British gutter tabloid, "The News of the World".


To continue. Oswald Mosley ended up being interned with his wife in London's Holloway prison in 1940. Mosley had always been a gifted public speaker and the British Security Services and Special Branch who had infiltrated the BUF shortly after its inception, eventually became concerned - after Britain declared War against Germany - that he could convince the public to provide financial support to the organisation and thereby enable it to challenge the political establishment. He was tolerated until the Battle of France in 1940, after which he was regarded as being too dangerous. About a fortnight after Churchill became Prime Minister, Mosley was thrown in jail, and shortly after this the BUF was proscribed.


You say that the "toffee-nosed cronies" of the British Royals, were sympathetic the Hitler and the Nazis. Well, I guess you could say that Mosley was "toffee-nosed insofar as he was an hereditary Baronet. His full title was: Sir Oswald Mosley of Ancoats, 6th Baronet. So he was a member of the British upper class and it would probably be fair to say he regarded himself as superior member of British society. If you met him, Veggie, you would say from his appearance and the way he spoke that he was pretentious, stuck-up and snobbish. But Mosley was not a peer, that is, he was not a British nobleman, not (officially speaking) a member of the British aristocracy.Thus, the Queen and the other members of the Royal family would not have been rubbing shoulders with Oswald Mosley, and in particular given his extreme political views and militant public shit-stirring/Jew-baiting stunts.


That brings me to one of Mosley's former associates, one William Joyce, an Irish-American fascist who was, at one point, the deputy leader of Mosley's BUF in Britain. Throughout the entire war (from 1939 to 1945) Joyce worked for the Germans as a Nazi propagandist, broadcasting in English to Britain (and other Anglophone allied nations like the US) from a base in Germany. He delivered his propaganda in a very posh, drawling, upper-crust English accent which quickly earned him the nickname "Lord Haw Haw". So, in a sense, Joyce fits your stereotype of the snooty, upper-class, toffee-nosed "British" fascist and Nazi sympathiser, Veggie, at least that's what he sounded like on the radio.And despite the fact he was dishing out poisonous Nazi propaganda EVERYONE in England tuned in to listen to Lord Haw Haw's broadcasts. He was a celebrity villain. I even remember my grandfather who was fighting the Japanese in New Guinea telling me about listening to Lord Haw Haw on the radio with his mates ( and "Tokyo Rose", but that's another story). Anyway, William Joyce was captured by the British at the end of the war in 1945 and hanged for treason in January of 1946, so the Poms had the last laugh (Haw Haw).

Finally, Veggie, a few years back an old home movie of the Royal family shot during the war came to light. In it, the future Queen Elizabeth (aged 6, at the time) is shown giving stiff-armed "Heil Hitler" salutes, along with her parents in the garden of some Royal residence. They were mocking Hitler, of course, and in any case the 6 -year-old "Queen Elizabeth" would have had no understanding whatsoever of the significance of what she was doing. This old movie footage sent the tabloid press in England into spin, of course, with claims that that the future Queen was a Nazi, which was predictable given the gutter press in England are a collection of disgusting whores who would slit their own mother's throat for 50 pence. They managed to milk the story for about two or three days before the public got pissed of at the insult and then the issue promptly disappeared never to resurface.


Anyway there you have it Veggie. The Queen was never a fascist or a Nazi, nor were any members of the Royal family (at least, none that I'm aware of). There were "toffee-nosed" fascists and Nazis in Britain during the the 1930s, like Sir Oswald Mosley and his "Blackshirts, but they were never invited to Buckingham Place for tea with the Queen. You are spouting bullshit yet again, and that's because you are a "munter" - i.e; an ignorant Kiwi Kunt with a big mouth and a teeny-weeny brain full of sheep shit.

Aroha, cuzzie xx

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Sat May 18, 2019 12:30 am

Dachshund wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 11:21 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 6:08 pm


I can understand why you keep mentioning that snooty old cow, the queen of ungreat Britain---the pommy royals and their toffee-nosed cronies were in love with Hitler and the Nazis. The silly, sycophantic poms have never had a clue about their own royal family.

By jove. What a hoot. Jolly japes all around old chaps.

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Dear Veggie,


No, the British Royals were not "in love" with Hitler and the Nazis. You are - although you don't realise it - probably thinking of Oswald Mosley and William Joyce, amongst others of their ilk.


Here's the story, pay attention Veggie , you might learn something :roll: :roll: (We can only hope :cry: )


Oswald Mosley was a British politician who became the leader of the British Union of Fascists (BUF) in 1932. Mosley's BUF had a membership of about 50,000 in the early 1930's, they hated communists and Jews and were extremely nationalistic. The meetings of the BUF were disrupted by protesters after the party was formed, so Mosley instituted a corps of paramilitary minders called the Fascist Defence Force. The FDF were nicknamed the "Blackshirts" because of the black uniforms they wore. Moseley and his "Blackshirts organised several marches through through the Jewish districts of London's East End trying to stir up shit. They were successful in this, and in 1936 one particular march through Cable Street in a Jewish neighbourhood turned particularly violent. So violent in fact that the Police Commissioner ordered it stopped. Mosley, however, continued to organise provocative BUF marches policed by his "Blackshirts" until the government eventually got fed up with him and passed a Civil Order Act banning (amongst other things) political uniforms and quasi-military style organisations.


In 1936 Mosley visited Italy to check out how Italian Fascism was working. While he was there he shared a public platform with the fascist leader Benito Mussolini. To add to his fascist credential, that same year Mosley married his mistress, Diana Guiness in Germany. The secret ceremony was held in the Berlin home of Nazi Propaganda minister, Josef Goebbels, and the special guest of honour was none other than the Fuhrer himself, Adolph Hitler.


Mosley had a son, Max, who was "the apple of his father's eye: a virulent racist and fascist. Last year in England, Max, found himself (like his father often was) in a "spot of bother" when on the 1st of March, 2018, he featured on the front page of the "The Sun", a notorious British tabloid newspaper. There for all to see, was a photograph of Max Mosley with a headline that read "THE LIAR, THE SWISH AND THE WHORE PROBLEM", and as you are a Narnia fan, Veggie, you will immediately recognise that this is a play on the title of C.S.Lewis' famous first volume of "The Narnia Chronicles", i.e; "The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe." What had happened was that young Max (aged 71 :shock: ) had been caught lying about an extravagant orgy he'd organised for himself at his digs in London. This orgy was a sadomasochistic sex-fest complete with seven prostitutes he had hired dressed in Nazi uniforms and striped "concentration camp" pyjamas. The Nazi prostitutes were ordered to shout out repeatedly "We are the Aryan Master race - Blondes" (!) while they thrashed Mosley with switches as he was having sex with the other girls in a kinky "B and D" session that lasted five hours :shock: (sounds like the kind of thing you'd get up to, Veggie) Veggie . Unbeknown to Mosley the whole orgy was secretly filmed by a British gutter tabloid, "The News of the World".


To continue. Oswald Mosley ended up being interned with his wife in London's Holloway prison in 1940. Mosley had always been a gifted public speaker and the British Security Services and Special Branch who had infiltrated the BUF shortly after its inception, eventually became concerned - after Britain declared War against Germany - that he could convince the public to provide financial support to the organisation and thereby enable it to challenge the political establishment. He was tolerated until the Battle of France in 1940, after which he was regarded as being too dangerous. About a fortnight after Churchill became Prime Minister, Mosley was thrown in jail, and shortly after this the BUF was proscribed.


You say that the "toffee-nosed cronies" of the British Royals, were sympathetic the Hitler and the Nazis. Well, I guess you could say that Mosley was "toffee-nosed insofar as he was an hereditary Baronet. His full title was: Sir Oswald Mosley of Ancoats, 6th Baronet. So he was a member of the British upper class and it would probably be fair to say he regarded himself as superior member of British society. If you met him, Veggie, you would say from his appearance and the way he spoke that he was pretentious, stuck-up and snobbish. But Mosley was not a peer, that is, he was not a British nobleman, not (officially speaking) a member of the British aristocracy.Thus, the Queen and the other members of the Royal family would not have been rubbing shoulders with Oswald Mosley, and in particular given his extreme political views and militant public shit-stirring/Jew-baiting stunts.


That brings me to one of Mosley's former associates, one William Joyce, an Irish-American fascist who was, at one point, the deputy leader of Mosley's BUF in Britain. Throughout the entire war (from 1939 to 1945) Joyce worked for the Germans as a Nazi propagandist, broadcasting in English to Britain (and other Anglophone allied nations like the US) from a base in Germany. He delivered his propaganda in a very posh, drawling, upper-crust English accent which quickly earned him the nickname "Lord Haw Haw". So, in a sense, Joyce fits your stereotype of the snooty, upper-class, toffee-nosed "British" fascist and Nazi sympathiser, Veggie, at least that's what he sounded like on the radio.And despite the fact he was dishing out poisonous Nazi propaganda EVERYONE in England tuned in to listen to Lord Haw Haw's broadcasts. He was a celebrity villain. I even remember my grandfather who was fighting the Japanese in New Guinea telling me about listening to Lord Haw Haw on the radio with his mates ( and "Tokyo Rose", but that's another story). Anyway, William Joyce was captured by the British at the end of the war in 1945 and hanged for treason in January of 1946, so the Poms had the last laugh (Haw Haw).

Finally, Veggie, a few years back an old home movie of the Royal family shot during the war came to light. In it, the future Queen Elizabeth (aged 6, at the time) is shown giving stiff-armed "Heil Hitler" salutes, along with her parents in the garden of some Royal residence. They were mocking Hitler, of course, and in any case the 6 -year-old "Queen Elizabeth" would have had no understanding whatsoever of the significance of what she was doing. This old movie footage sent the tabloid press in England into spin, of course, with claims that that the future Queen was a Nazi, which was predictable given the gutter press in England are a collection of disgusting whores who would slit their own mother's throat for 50 pence. They managed to milk the story for about two or three days before the public got pissed of at the insult and then the issue promptly disappeared never to resurface.


Anyway there you have it Veggie. The Queen was never a fascist or a Nazi, nor were any members of the Royal family (at least, none that I'm aware of). There were "toffee-nosed" fascists and Nazis in Britain during the the 1930s, like Sir Oswald Mosley and his "Blackshirts, but they were never invited to Buckingham Place for tea with the Queen. You are spouting bullshit yet again, and that's because you are a "munter" - i.e; an ignorant Kiwi Kunt with a big mouth and a teeny-weeny brain full of sheep shit.

Aroha, cuzzie xx

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Of course they would say that. Everyone knows that Edward the eighth and Wallace Simpson were huge fans of Hitler and personal friends of his, as was much of the British aristocracy (and your dates are all whacked up).

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Belinda » Sat May 18, 2019 9:10 am

I remember Mosely . My parents were plain Scots who among others in the small Scottish town decried Mosely and fascists generally. The culture of an an aristocratic elite should not be taken as representing the culture of the common people .

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by surreptitious57 » Mon May 20, 2019 7:07 am

Edward VIII was an admirer of Hitler who actually wanted him back on the throne after the planned invasion and occupation of England
When the couple were staying in occupied France Edward asked for German soldiers to guard their residence and so Hitler duly obliged

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Greta » Mon May 20, 2019 7:26 am

Nazism is the extreme of a broader trend. Most large governments are now either fascist regimes, corrupt and authoritarian or hard right always tending further towards authoritarianism. Global politics generally has lurched far to the right.

People are insecure. The world is changing fast. In desperation they elect the candidate most likely to dismantle their democracy. Seemingly when times are tough the One Saviour trope resurfaces.

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by Dachshund » Mon May 20, 2019 8:04 am

surreptitious57 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 7:07 am
Edward VIII was an admirer of Hitler who actually wanted him back on the throne after the planned invasion and occupation of England
When the couple were staying in occupied France Edward asked for German soldiers to guard their residence and so Hitler duly obliged
Yeah that's what is says in all the tabloids and glossy women's magazines that have ever hit the shelf since the end of the war, so gee whizz it must be right guess, Surreptitios57.

MORON !

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by surreptitious57 » Mon May 20, 2019 8:16 am

I didnt know that is what it said in all of the tabloids and womens magazines since the end of the war dash man
I can see how it would sell copy even though it doesnt actually mean it wasnt true even if it was sensationalised

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Re: Why is nazism popular today?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Mon May 20, 2019 8:21 am

Dachshund wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 8:04 am
surreptitious57 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 7:07 am
Edward VIII was an admirer of Hitler who actually wanted him back on the throne after the planned invasion and occupation of England
When the couple were staying in occupied France Edward asked for German soldiers to guard their residence and so Hitler duly obliged
Yeah that's what is says in all the tabloids and glossy women's magazines that have ever hit the shelf since the end of the war, so gee whizz it must be right guess, Surreptitios57.

MORON !

Dachshund
Idiot. Just because you don't like it doesn't alter the fact that it's true. It's just an accepted historical fact that Edward V111 was a Hitler groupie.

Just look at the mutual admiration on their faces:

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