Clearly you can NOT and will NOT answer the question here because the Honest and Truthful answer goes against your very own view and position.
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I do NOT have a philosophical position. I also am NOT searching for Truth. The Truth is already here.Univalence wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:10 pm Searching for Truth (with a capital T). The 21st century equivalent of searching for God (with a capital G).
Dogma either way. Perhaps it's worth inventing a new philosophical position?
Atruism. The rejection of Truth.
By the way, why did you leave? And then decide to come back?
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Truth with a capital T might mean that for you, but Truth means other things for "others". For example 'Truth' for some means ONLY 'that', what is agreed with by ALL.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:03 pm Truth with a T is only true for the one claiming it to be so and could actually be false
I prefer knowledge with a k because while not as sexy as Truth it is way more reliable
'Knowledge' and 'knowledge' also mean different things to different people, which is just another, of the countless other many, Truth of things, which some people, by the way, will refuse to accept and agree with.
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Thank you. That is ALL I have been pointing out and saying.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:22 pmKnowledge is never absolute so what is regarded as being true may subsequently turn out to be falseAge wrote:
To me an OBSERVED red shift does NOT mean that the Universe is expanding just like an OBSERVED sun revolving around the earth
and an OBSERVED flat earth does NOT mean that they are the case. As I have POINTED OUT ALREADY because of optical illusions
that what is OBSERVED may be just NOT the actual and real Truth of things
Now I have also been asking; why not just always remain OPEN instead of regarding some thing as being true especially when considering the actual and real Truth is you do NOT even know if it is true or not?
This is just an attempt to TRY and "justify" one's own wrong behaviours.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:22 pmThis is because scientists can only work from within the knowledge base that exists at any given time
Obviously if the so called "knowledge base" that one has at any particular point could be WRONG, then WHY use it all?
I will ask again; Why not just always remain OPEN instead?
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So, considering that there is absolutely NO actual evidence that the Universe is expanding, then nothing more really needs to be said regarding this, correct?surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:37 pmKnowledge increases over time which is why in science it is better not to regard anything as ever being absolutely trueAge wrote:
You can keep believing that you have the current best explanation for as long as you want. But the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth were also at those times the current best explanation also. Just like you propose expansion is currently the so best explanation that you
have in those times when this is written
The more evidence there is for something the more likely it is to be true - but science does not deal in absolute truth
Also obviously the people who do science do NOT deal in absolute Truth because so called absolute Truth is beyond science. Truth speaks for Itself, and therefore does NOT human beings TRY TO work It out.
You human beings only "study" and TRY TO work out what you do NOT understand and are confused about.
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But the expansion of the Universe 'optical illusion' can be and has already been very easily falsified. But like the other two examples it takes some time to SHOW what the actual Truth IS to some people, and this is because some people BELIEVE they already KNOW what is true.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:45 pmThey should be ignored because they are both demonstrably falseAge wrote:
By the way from what you have said here you must have missed when I have said that just because some thing is observed these observations do NOT make what is observed the actual Truth. In case you are unaware there is a thing called optical illusions. Evidence of this is the earth was observed to be flat. The sun was also observed to revolve around the earth. Should these observations be ignored or accepted also
The expansion of the observable Universe is not demonstrably false so that cannot be ignored
If at some future point it becomes falsified then it will be discarded however not before then
Just like it is impossible to explain to a person HOW the earth is NOT flat who BELIEVES otherwise and thus NOT OPEN, it is just as impossible to explain to a person HOW the Universe is NOT expanding when they BELIEVE otherwise. If a person is NOT OPEN, then they will just NOT listen. As evidenced here, in this forum, many times already.
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This just means I HAVE TO capitalise MORE words for people like YOU.Greta wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:51 pm You are babbling, Age. I had to scroll down a fair way to find anything with enough content to prompt a reply.You capitalised the wrong words, rendering the sentence a little hysterical and incoherent. I can help:
"As I have pointed out already because of optical illusions, that which is observed MAY be just not the actual and real truth".
MAY is the key word. However, the evidence is pointing the other way.
I have ALWAYS used words like MAY, MIGHT, and COULD, which is EXACTLY what YOU adult human beings do NOT do when YOU say things like: The Universe BEGAN, The earth IS flat, The earth IS the centre of the Universe, and/or The Universe IS expanding.
When YOU STOP being so closed and OPEN UP, then YOU will SEE why you human beings are still so lost and confused about things, even though you have been "studying" the "world" around you for hundreds of thousands of years now.
By the way, what actual evidence do you HAVE that the Universe is expanding?
Your lack of answering this question will PROVE just how much evidence you actually have.
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An inability to answer clarifying questions can show just how little actual evidence one has, for their position, as well as show just how little they actually know about the position that they are trying so hard to hold onto.
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You have been unable to answer any clarifying questions about your position of “being open”.
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I have NOT been asked a clarifying question yet about this that i can recall.Univalence wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:29 amYou have been unable to answer any clarifying questions about your position of “being open”.
If you know of any, then why do you not bring it to all of our attention?
And remember you have NOT answered ONE of my clarifying questions asked to you.
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Could you clarify to us if talking to you is a waste of time?
Also. Do you know what a rhetorical question is?
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When are you going to answer the clarifying questions asked to you?Univalence wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:17 pmCould you clarify to us if talking to you is a waste of time?
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No.Univalence wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 1:17 pmCould you clarify to us if talking to you is a waste of time?
Also. Do you know what a rhetorical question is?
What is a rhetorical question, to you?
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This is a rhetorical question: Could you clarify to us if talking to you is a waste of time?
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