Is that just an opinion or do you have some sort of evidence to support your assertion?
Do humans have a soul?
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That is no proof of them having a soul.
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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 3:05 amIf you're just a body, there's nobody there to talk to.
Well it would not reply unless it was a robotic body made of plastic and stuff, and then it would have to have been programmed by a brain-mind.
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Minds and bodies (including brains)are twin aspects of the Real. Note the capital letter; I am happy to conflate the Real with God, although I'd rather conflate The Real with Nature.
It has been said that the personal God is Platonism for the masses. I'll google that in a second.
Nietzsche
By the way, for all we can ever know there might be infinite other aspects of God/ The Real/ Nature ,besides mind and body
Your present problem, as with all mind-soul dismissers, is that you imagine that the material exhausts the real. Ironically, to do so, you have to use the mind.
Minds and bodies (including brains)are twin aspects of the Real. Note the capital letter; I am happy to conflate the Real with God, although I'd rather conflate The Real with Nature.
It has been said that the personal God is Platonism for the masses. I'll google that in a second.
Nietzsche
By the way, for all we can ever know there might be infinite other aspects of God/ The Real/ Nature ,besides mind and body
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A mind is behind all intelligent activity.
Ultimately, as you say, a robotic body would only seem to respond, but actually has no volition, no appearance not pre-programmed into it by a mind that has its own volition.
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Where in holy writ does it say that minds are better than bodies?A mind is behind all intelligent activity.
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Volition is one example of relative states. There is no volition in a river. There is limited volition in a tadpole. There is more volition in a pony than in a tadpole. There is more volition in a man than there is in a pony.Ultimately, as you say, a robotic body would only seem to respond, but actually has no volition, no appearance not pre-programmed into it by a mind that has its own volition.
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Nietzsche said a lot of things...like "Do you go to women? Take the whip."
On that point, I'm happy to take him with a grain of salt. Not everything he said was sensible or humane.
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I cherry pick too. or in other words, neither you nor I have to buy the whole farm.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 3:26 pmNietzsche said a lot of things...like "Do you go to women? Take the whip."
On that point, I'm happy to take him with a grain of salt. Not everything he said was sensible or humane.
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I said "holy writ" not you!
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You're using "relative" as a synonym for "graded." That's imprecise. It will lead to errors of amphiboly. You'll think you're arguing for one thing, when the actual meaning of your words are arguing for another.
If you're speaking of volition, better to say "comes in gradations," not "exists in relative states."