Logik wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:12 pm
Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:55 pm
But you have NEVER ask any such question like this, to me.
See the issue here, and BEFORE you accuse me of being a liar, is 'misinterpretation' can happen all to easily. As is the case here. So, when you wrote: Every time I ask you what 'evidence' is you keep dodging the question.
Now, to me you have NEVER asked me, What 'evidence' is? nor What is 'evidence'? Which is what I interpreted what you were saying here.
Asking like you did below; What would you consider to be valid and sufficient evidence ...
IS, to me, a completely different question. So, I was NOT a liar in stating: You have NEVER ask any such question like this, to me.
when the question I was referring to was about "what 'evidence' is".
"What 'evidence' is"? is a much different question to; "What would you consider to be valid and sufficient evidence"?
You may have obviously been meaning the second in your first remark but it obviously was NOT interpreted in that way by me.
Just like the many times you misinterpreted what I write I also misinterpret what you write. If some thing is NOT written in absolute clarity, then without clarifying questions misinterpretation and misunderstanding can, unfortunately, happen all to quickly and easily. Thus WHY clarifying questions are MUCH BETTER for UNDERSTANDING I found, than making accusations and assumptions are, or ever could be.
Now, you STATED that every time you ask me what 'evidence' is I keep dodging the question
If this WAS in any way a FACT, then I would NOT have replied to what you quote below. I HAVE ALREADY replied to what you quote below, so then who is NOT telling the truth now?
I WILL SHOW the EVIDENCE of WHAT I REPLIED WITH by repeating verbatim what I HAD replied with, underlined.
I WILL repeat verbatim to BOTH points you raised and asked me, in underlined.
I wonder if you would then be big enough and honest enough to admit that actually I DID NOT "keep dodging the question" at all? I also wonder if you WILL reply to my QUESTIONS EVERY time I ask them, TO YOU, as I ACTUALLY DO?
Have you been asleep here. I have quite literally been ASKING for; What is WRONG in what I wrote? AND, I have also been asking for; WHAT could start a finite universe? How much more could I SHOW of the uncertainty of my view? AND, How much more could I ask for to prove myself WRONG?
Logik wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:59 am
Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 12:56 am
WHEN evidence is provided, then OBVIOUSLY that would suffice.
Logik wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:00 pm
The litmus test for dogmatism goes like this: What would you consider to be valid and sufficient evidence that demonstrates the wrongness of your view?
I am quite literally asking you to identify and express your own uncertainty. Try to prove yourself wrong.
Obviously, IF I have "proof" of WHERE my VIEW is WRONG, then I would NOT express it. (Unless of course I was attempting to SHOW or PROVE some thing else).
BUT, if you can NOT show HOW a finite universe could start, then HOW do you propose that I prove myself WRONG and show HOW a finite universe could start? If you can NOT think of any way a finite universe could begin, and no one else can either, then WHY do you EXPECT me to think up one?
By the way I am NOT saying any thing 'is the case', therefore there is NOTHING to "prove" wrong. A view, which is clearly being stated as; Just a VIEW, which could actually be WRONG, could NOT be "proven" wrong, because it is NOT being stated as it is even remotely close to being true nor right in the beginning.
My views are, literally, stated OPENLY as could be WRONG, so that ALL the wrongness in them could be, and, HOPEFULLY, WILL BE pointed out and SHOWN to ALL the readers.
I WANT the wrongness in my views made perfectly clear to EVERY one. I have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA if the Universe is infinite or NOT. I WANT to be made aware of what the actual and real Truth IS, in this regard.
How much MORE do you WANT me to identify and express my own uncertainty?
If my claim is unfalsifiable, then so to is the claim that the Universe is finite, and/or had a beginning, also unfalsiable.
Logik wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:12 pm
For if your claim is unfalsifiable, then all the burden of proof for your views is on you. Russel's teapot...
If one is unfalsifiable, then so is the other, obviously.
Do you actually READ ALL of what I WRITE?
I WROTE: I have already offered up 'EVERY action causes a reaction' and the 'cause and effect principle' for an infinite Universe.
So, WHATEVER WRONGNESS is in these, then just POINT IT OUT and SHOW IT to us, NOW.
If these are falsifiable, then falsify them.
If these are unfalsifiable, then what does that SHOW you?
Now, are you going to still keep calling me a liar for supposedly "keep dodging the question" or are you going to admit that I did actually respond?
Would you RESPOND to ALL of my questions like I do with yours?