I was not aware you did any of those things.
Why do theists and atheists insist that if there is a God that it created the universe?
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Re: Why do theists and atheists insist that if there is a God that it created the universe?
Me? No!
WE are all working towards those things. Everybody who contributes to the prosperity of Humanity.
My contributions to computation/complexity only matter because I stood on the shoulders of giants.
Cross-generational team work. Something individualists can't quite grasp.
And if all the giants on whose shoulders I stood are in Hell too - it's going to be one hell of a party!
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Re: Why do theists and atheists insist that if there is a God that it created the universe?
Indeed.
I wonder what you will say. It certainly won't be what you wrote above.
Re: Why do theists and atheists insist that if there is a God that it created the universe?
What is it that you are going to say? "I rode a moral high horse against free will. I could've worked on problems that actually matter to Humanity but didn't."Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:10 pm Indeed.
I wonder what you will say. It certainly won't be what you wrote above.
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"Cross-generational team work. Something individualists can't quite grasp."
"...for the man who studies to gain insight, books and studies are merely rungs of the ladder on which he climbs to the summit of knowledge. As soon as a rung has raised him up one step, he leaves it behind. On the other hand, the many who study in order to fill their memory do not use the rungs of the ladder for climbing, but take them off and load themselves with them to take away, rejoicing at the increasing weight of the burden. They remain below forever, because they bear what should have bourne them." A. Schopenhauer
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Re: Why do theists and atheists insist that if there is a God that it created the universe?
Titus 3:5
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us..."
Ephesians 2:8-9
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast."
Had I cured cancer, abortion, AIDS and war, I would still not have done enough to earn God's favour. After all, what is all my self-preening "goodness" compared to Him?
But what I cannot do, He has done. That is what I will say.
What will you say?
Re: Why do theists and atheists insist that if there is a God that it created the universe?
The life expectancy has doubled in the last 200 years not 300 years. You are an extreme optimist and unrealistic at that. I don't have much expectancy of immortality, medical technology can only do so much and quality of life is important. Does anyone want to live on life support or a ventilator for 40 or 50 years.
Re: Why do theists and atheists insist that if there is a God that it created the universe?
You are arguing my point!
Do you even understand what the word "optimist" means?
I said Team Humanity took 300 years, when it actually took 200 years.
You know doing something in LESS time is BETTER, right?
It means we doubled life expectancy 33% FASTER than I actually claimed.
It means I UNDERESTIMATED how well Team Humanity did. That makes me a pessimist.
The fact you are trying to nitpick the numbers should suggest to you that you lost the argument.
Strawman. You are not on a ventilator.
If this was 1750 and you are older than 40 you would be dead by now. Would you rather be dead?
Re: Why do theists and atheists insist that if there is a God that it created the universe?
Then I guess I have nothing to worry about.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:31 pm "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us..."
It's not up to me - it's up to him.
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Re: Why do theists and atheists insist that if there is a God that it created the universe?
Then I guess I will just have to go right ahead and say it. I am more moral than your God.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:49 pm That depends. You can stand on your own "goodness," or you can accept His.
But you cannot do both. And if you do the former, then you have excellent reason to worry.
I bow to no "omnipotence" that stands by idly. Can I book my 1st class seat to Hell ahead of time?
For you lament me for not opposing that which you perceive as an atrocity (abortion). But you do not lament your master.
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Re: Why do theists and atheists insist that if there is a God that it created the universe?
All the more reason to live forever!Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:17 pm Then I guess we'll see how that works out for you.
But I wouldn't do that.
If I don't die he can't Judge me.
Re: Why do theists and atheists insist that if there is a God that it created the universe?
You don't have an argument, just a lot of hot air, optimism and speculation. Being dead might be better than being an unconscious vegetable.