From what?
Einstein on the train
Re: Einstein on the train
Another ASSUMED position you have here, which is clearly WRONG, AGAIN.
Whilst HAVING a VIEW, this can be considered holding a position. I have expressed my VIEW.
But expressing a VIEW, this, however, does NOT necessitate that it HAS TO BE argued for. Therefore, a position can be held/maintained without necessarily being argued for.
Saying that I am protecting my ego is ASSUMPTION, which is OBVIOUSLY WRONG, when, and if, 'you' even know who/what the 'I' IS.
If you say so. But that clearly sounds like it is coming from your own EXPERIENCE.
Re: Basta!
Well Age, since you ask, no. It's much simpler than that. The reason you are not worth listening to is that you are a blithering half-wit who cannot understand that someone who describes their work as a series of stories is under no illusion that they are anything but stories. The only assumption I have made is that it might be possible for you to engage in a meaningful dialogue. This you have successfully demonstrated is not so.
Re: Einstein on the train
Yes one was asked to you in direct response to what you, yourself, STATED.
The other I wrote was in regards to those who suggest that an infinite Universe could expand.
I thought this would be clearly obvious, by now.
Yes, OF COURSE.
Do you draw a distinction between the pea soup and peas IN the soup?
When I say 'the Universe' I mean Everything, or in other words EVERY thing together as One. To put this to the hotel analogy, when I say 'the Universe' I mean Everything.
Do they?
I am NOT sure if it was exciting enough to stipulate here though. So, what EXACTLY is the 'Universe' made up of, to those which you call "scientists"?
Have no idea what you are talking about here. You, human beings, are biased in WHAT way?
Why are you NOT interested in the so called "infinite void"?
By the way what EXACTLY is the 'infinite void', which you here now talk about?
You clearly wrote thus STATED that when "another" said; 'infinite Universe' they were describing a BOUNDED universe.
You wrote: What you are describing is a BOUNDED, not an infinite universe. You STATED this when "another" wrote: An infinite universe can't get any bigger, it's already infinite.
Now, IF you can NOT explain nor elaborate on what you WROTE, then so be it. I understand that you are totally incapable of explaining and/or elaborating on what you some times say and write.
That is your prerogative.
The different perspectives are OBVIOUS.
One perspective, after all, is YOUR VERY OWN PERSPECTIVE. Considering it was your very own perspective, the I CHOOSE your very own perspective for this question: How is saying 'infinite Universe' describing a BOUNDED universe?
The perspective I CHOOSE for the next question: How could an infinite Universe expand? which you have also NOT answered, IS: Whatever perspective you WANT to come from, but I suggest coming from your very own perspective is the SIMPLEST and EASIEST one for you to use.
Are you absolutely sure whatever answer I give then you can understand what I mean by 'infinity'?Logik wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:26 amIt is a Mathematical inequality. An inequality is either true or false.
I don't know what THE answer is. It's not a "right" or "wrong" kind of question.
It's an axiom. A choice.
That is why I asked your OPINION.
IF you answer the question, then I can understand what you mean by "infinity".
You appear to be upset by some thing.
Anyway, my answer is probably the exact same as yours is.
So, now you can understand what I mean by 'infinity'?
If no, then there is a truly much quicker, simpler, and easier way to UNDERSTAND things.
If yes, then great. You have now gained more understanding.
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Re: Einstein on the train
Re: Einstein on the train
Is this 'cooperative principle', which you linked to, a 'principle' you consider to be very important and it would be better followed?
LOL do you THINK/BELIEVE I would really care?
Also, just so I KNOW I understand you correct, you WANT me to be cooperative and ANSWER your mathematical inequality example question, which OBVIOUSLY has NOTHING whatsoever to do with MY VIEW/S, but YET you will NOT answer ANY question I ask you, which IS specifically directed to the words you actually wrote down, and thus have STATED, is this correct?
Re: Einstein on the train
OK. So you have a view on the infinities, but you are not prepared to answer clarifying questions about it.Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:40 pmIs this 'cooperative principle', which you linked to, a 'principle' you consider to be very important and it would be better followed?
LOL do you THINK/BELIEVE I would really care?
Also, just so I KNOW I understand you correct, you WANT me to be cooperative and ANSWER your mathematical inequality example question, which OBVIOUSLY has NOTHING whatsoever to do with MY VIEW/S, but YET you will NOT answer ANY question I ask you, which IS specifically directed to the words you actually wrote down, and thus have STATED, is this correct?
Gotcha.
FUCK OFF
Re: Basta!
Did you read ALL of what I wrote in that post? Because if you did it was in there. I thought I made it clear.
But if you MISSED it, and/or did NOT understand it, then that MUST BE my fault. As explained I am only here, in this forum, to LEARN how to communicate better.
Re: Basta!
Communication is cooperative. The process you continuously engage is not communication - it is cross-examination.
If you were actually communicating you would answer the question: "
Your refusal to answer clarifying questions about your views suggests you are not interested in learning to communicate.In your Truthful view is this true or false: ∞ + 1 > ∞
You are lying about your intentions.
Re: Basta!
uwot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:24 pmWell Age, since you ask, no. It's much simpler than that. The reason you are not worth listening to is that you are a blithering half-wit who cannot understand that someone who describes their work as a series of stories is under no illusion that they are anything but stories.
So WHY write that the Universe IS expanding and that It STARTED?
Are these two things "stories" or "facts"?
And THANK YOU for ACCURATE description of 'me', from your perspective. These Truly Honest and OPEN answers are what I am LOOKING FOR when I ask clarifying questions.
This readers is ANOTHER example of WHY it is BETTER to NEVER ASSUME ANY thing. They can so EASILY lead you astray.
Also, are you SURE that that ASSUMPTION is the ONLY one that you have made?
Demonstrated to who?
Are you aware that the EXACT same accusation could be made in return?
Also, is 'me' the only thing that you wish to discuss, from that post I wrote?
Re: Einstein on the train
But I do NOT BELIEVE that.
WHY do you KEEP asking me questions about what I BELIEVE?
Are you totally incapable of understanding that I NEITHER BELIEVE nor DISBELIEVE ANY thing, or are you forgetful, or is there some other reason?
At the MOMENT, when this and my last post in reply to your question is written, my answer IS the EXACT SAME as yours. But the reason I wrote probably IS because I do NOT know WHEN you, nor I, will change our answers.
Have you ALREADY changed your answer?
Re: Einstein on the train
But I do NOT have a view on the "infinities". I have already asked you previously some thing about can you NOT YET distinguish the difference between 'infinity' and 'infinities'?Logik wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:42 pmOK. So you have a view on the infinities, but you are not prepared to answer clarifying questions about it.Age wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:40 pmIs this 'cooperative principle', which you linked to, a 'principle' you consider to be very important and it would be better followed?
LOL do you THINK/BELIEVE I would really care?
Also, just so I KNOW I understand you correct, you WANT me to be cooperative and ANSWER your mathematical inequality example question, which OBVIOUSLY has NOTHING whatsoever to do with MY VIEW/S, but YET you will NOT answer ANY question I ask you, which IS specifically directed to the words you actually wrote down, and thus have STATED, is this correct?
Gotcha.
FUCK OFF
Are you still incapable of distinguishing between the two?
Also,
When it was written: An infinite universe can't get any bigger, it's already infinite.
You STATED: What you are describing is a BOUNDED, not an infinite universe.
I asked: How is saying 'infinite Universe' describing a BOUNDED universe?
I understand that you are totally incapable of explaining and/or elaborating on what you some times say and write, but if you are totally incapable of distinguishing between two very different things, are totally incapable of understanding I have NO beliefs, and totally incapable of answering an EXTREMELY simple question, like this one, regarding your very OWN thinking, then maybe its best you refrain from saying some things?
What do you think?
By the way what do you think you "gotcha" me with EXACTLY?
Re: Basta!
If you were actually communicating you would answer the question: "
But that is only YOUR perception of what 'communicating' is.
Also, that is NOT the "communicating" that I want to learn how to better communicate?
That type of communicating is a very self-absorbed, "gotcha" type of communicating, which is of NO REAL benefit to any one at all.
If that is what you WANT to BELIEVE, then so be it.
By the way it is very obvious to some of the readers that that question is NOT about my views at all.
In your Truthful view, How could an infinite Universe be BOUNDED? That IS, after all, YOUR ACTUAL VIEW.
Also, How could an infinite Universe expand? That is, after all, a view you may have.