Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:33 am
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:38 pm
Why?
There is NO WHY to what could be done. WHAT there is, however, is NOW a possibility.
Do you think there is something we are supposed to do with this POSSIBILITY? If so, why?
No.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pmAge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:51 amLacewing wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:38 pmWhere are we going?
That is up to who you are saying is "we", and, you will only go wherever you WANT to go.
Note that you had said "
we can finally start MOVE FORWARD, (along that path?)". So, who are YOU saying "we" is?
you and Me.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pmAge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:51 amLacewing wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:38 pmIs there something that you think is needed?
In general NO, EVERY thing is in Its PERFECT position right now. But my answer really depends on WHAT you are referring to exactly.
I, too, think everything is perfect. I'm referring to what you've written -- so your answer can be based on what YOU are referring to.
As explained already ALL adult human beings abuse children, each "other", and their one and only home, namely earth.
If any thing is needed here it is Honesty, Openness, and a serious Want to change, for the better. That is; if people Truly WANT to get 'that' what they Truly WANT.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pmAge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:51 amLacewing wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:38 pm
So what are we "moving forward" ON or TOWARD?
Living in PEACE and HARMONY, with one "another", as One.
How/why/where did you get this idea?
How this idea came about? Through Honesty.
Why did this idea come? Because i was Honest, Open, and seriously Wanting to change, for the better.
Where did this idea come from? The (Truly OPEN) Mind, and the brain.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pmDoes anyone need to move forward on it, if everything is perfect? If so, why?
Everything IS PERFECT. But EVERY thing is NOT perfect, OBVIOUSLY.
I have answered this a few times ALREADY. Can you understand the term 'perfect' from an absolute or universal sense, AND, 'perfect' from a what human beings do to each "other" and their planet sense, and KNOW the difference?
If yes, then great.
If no, then NOTHING NEEDS to change from both senses. BUT, if you think the ABUSE that YOU are DOING to children IS PERFECT, then just keep doing it. However, if you Truly WANT the BEST for children (and yourself), then you will WANT to change, for the better.
You do NOT NEED to change. To CHANGE is YOUR CHOICE and YOURS ALONE. If you just WANT to sit around and say that Everything IS PERFECT now, while OBVIOUSLY you can SEE the ABUSE going on around you, which you are WHOLLY a participant of, and in, then just sit there, and wait. "Others", however, prefer to MOVE FORWARD, and start to make a CHANGE, before it becomes TO LATE, to change.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pmAge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:51 amLacewing wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:38 pm
Why wouldn't it be?
I NEVER said it would NOT be. I just asked you a simple, straightforward clarifying question.
Seems sensible and sane to me.
If you THINK/BELIEVE that it seems sensible and sane, to you, to ask a person with a mental disorder:
Why don't you ask clarifying questions of yourself? and you WANT to do this, then so be it. But some mental health experts might disagree with you. They might even ask you ask:
Why don't you ask clarifying questions of yourself? That is; If they did NOT think you had a mental disorder, yourself.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pmDoes it seem sensible and sane to you?
Not really.
By definition the 'mental disorder' could interfere with their ability to answer themselves correctly and accurately, and thus may aggravate the 'mental disorder' that they already have more.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pmAge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:51 am
You seem to be under the ASSUMPTION that I have NOT yet questioned My self regarding who the i is and Who I am, exactly, is this correct?
No. I have no specific ideas about the questions you have or have not asked yourself.
Okay, so when you say to me:
Why don't you ask clarifying questions of yourself? AND
Then why don't you question YOURSELF more? the Truth is you really do NOT even know if I do or not, nor how much I actually do this, do you?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pm Do you continue to question your views about life, purpose, others, yourself?
Yes.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pmAge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:51 am
It means that "others" KNOW Who 'I" Truly am. Why this is important is, besides just living, it is the most fundamental part of BEING.
Do you think the idea of "who I am" is necessary for being?
No, do you?
To me, what is necessary for being is some thing else.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pmAge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:51 amAbsolutely EVERY child is born WANTING to be recognized and accepted for 'Who I am'.
I don't think children are born wanting that. I think they are simply being.
Being 'what' EXACTLY?
Nothing OR some thing?
If they are just being nothing, then so be it.
But if they are being some thing, then why would a child NOT want to be recognized and accepted for what that some thing IS?
Do 'you' WANT to be recognized and accepted for who 'you' ARE?
Or, are 'you' (whatever that is) happy just being and doing what you do? (No matter if that being and doing is ABUSING "other" things).
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pm Any ideas about "Who I am" sounds like the needs of an ego -- whether that ego feels powerful or powerless, or welcome or unwelcome --
Is that what it sounds like to 'you'?
If yes, then 'what' EXACTLY is the 'you' who has that idea?
Some might say that what 'you' say here sounds like the needs of an ego wanting to be heard, and recognized and accepted for those BELIEFS, which that ego BELIEVES is true.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pm and it seems to be based on a developing awareness within an environment. We beings face all different kinds of experiences when we come into this world, and as we travel through it.
OBVIOUSLY.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pm There is not one particular way that we all handle that, or that we all should handle that.
OBVIOUSLY.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pm Would you agree?
Yes.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pm To me it seems to be a vast and organic landscape of countless possibilities. Does it seem that way to you?
That all depends on what the "it" is that 'you' are referring to here.
To me, it seems that human beings are often trying to proclaim a RIGHT way, or ONE way/path, or a single ANSWER, or a Universal/Divine KNOWING[/quote]
Yes it appears as though SOME human beings are like this. Just like 'you' continually do when you are often trying to proclaim a RIGHT way, or ONE way/path, or a single ANSWER, or a Universe/Divine, which STIPULATES that,
There is NOT one single path to get somewhere.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pm (perhaps in an effort to control/know their experience/reality),
Yes perhaps that is exactly WHY you continually do the same thing.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pmand they want other people to adopt, agree to, or acknowledge it --
Yes it is very CLEAR that you WANT "other" people to adopt, agree to, and/or acknowledge that what you proclaim to be TRUE, RIGHT, and CORRECT IS True, Right, and Correct.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pm and I think that casts a cloud/shroud over the perfection and potential of the wider landscape.
Either Everything is PERFECT or Everything is not. How could what human beings do cast a cloud/shroud over that perfection?
Also, is what you, yourself, do also cast a cloud/shroud over that perfection, or, is it only what "others" do that casts a cloud/shroud?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pmWhy focus primarily/specifically on a possible view/path, when there are so many views/paths that can be loved?
Because WHEN ALL the views are LOOKED AT and the ones that are in AGREEMENT are SEEN, then what does that infer?
Could those views/paths, which are in agreement, and thus in a sense loved, be A one path, which people would WANT to follow along, and voluntary anyway?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pmWhy focus primarily/specifically on a certain way things could/should be,
But I am NOT doing that, from the perspective that you are ASSUMING I am doing it from. I have also NEVER focused primarily/specifically on a certain way things could/should be done, which would NOT be in agreement with ALL and would NOT want to be followed by ALL, either.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pm when BEING natural and present and in the moment is such a rich and dynamic experience as it is?
That sounds like you are focusing primarily/specifically on a certain way things could/should be.
Also, that might just be the way in which I have been referring to? But without clarifying questions, you may never know.
And, is there another particular way, which you think could/should be done, or is that just one single path you know of?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pmIf it seems that something ELSE is necessary, why does it seem that way, and what is causing it to seem that way?
When you get rid of your ASSUMPTIONS and strongly held BELIEFS, then you will START seeing what I have been actually talking about, and NOT see what you THINK I am talking about.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:21 pm[That's as far as I've gotten through your response for now. I want to direct my focus elsewhere.]
Fair enough.