Solipsism cannot be true

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Re: Solipsism cannot be true

Post by Arising_uk » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:27 am

Dontaskme wrote:There is no such thing as a soliphist. ...
I know but there are some who think themselves solipsists.
Soliphism is an idea arising to no thing. ...
Ironically enough from what I understand of what you say you are proposing the ideal solipsist exists.
This no thing doesn't deny the external world, for it's self-evident, to deny it would require something to make it not to be there, but since some thing is actually no thing.. no thing cannot make some thing disappear..it just ain't a happening.
Hold tight! So does your 'no thing' exist in the the external world? If not what world is it living in?

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Re: Solipsism cannot be true

Post by Dontaskme » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:13 am

Dontaskme wrote:There is no one in a body to know it is dead, ...
Arising_uk wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:05 am
There never was someone 'in' a body in the first place, they are a body.
But to say they are a body is still placing an entity on that body where there is none. That's still saying somebody is a body.
But it's not a somebody, it's a no-body.
The mind superimposes a concept (thought) over what is non-conceptual, the concept is an artificial creation of no thing...it's a fictional character.


you've established that so who is the entity that is in the body that knows that body is alive? that is suddenly not there anymore to know it is dead, who is this knower that knows it is alive but not dead?
Arising_uk wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:05 am
A body with senses, memory and a language in an external world.
How can a body know it is alive, but cannot know it is dead? ...you said, the body dies, so to know the body dies is knowledge, and yet there really is no knowledge of death is there? ...but according to you, you know death, because you say the body dies. Surely you can't know death, so why say you can?

if this knower is alive how can that which knows it is alive also know it is dead? ...
Arising_uk wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:05 am
It can't, it can just be dead.
How can a body know it is alive, but cannot know it is dead? ...you said, the body dies, so to know the body dies is knowledge, and yet there really is no knowledge of death is there? ...but according to you, you know death, because you say the body dies. Surely you can't know death, so why say you can?

...where does the knowing of aliveness come from ..if there is no knowing of death?
Arising_uk wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:05 am
You know death by seeing it in others.
But how can you know what death is? ...you'd have to be there in death to know it...then to say you see others dead is not knowing death, because you'd have to be in that others death to know it. No body knows anything except what language dictates, that langauage aka knowledge is just a bunch of ideas, they are fictions, don't you see that? ...if you want to talk about fictions, then yes, there is birth and there is death as concepts known...aka knowledge...so since we are now on the subject of fiction, what is actually being alive or dead? ..a cartoon character?
That is all I'm pointing to.

Can you not see that life and death are known concepts/knowledge that no body can know...they are illusions of knowledge. ...
Arising_uk wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:05 am
Can you not see that you are reifying life? If a body has senses, memory and a language it can know it is alive, it cannot know it is dead.
Nope, because there is no thing reifying life. Life never said it's life...knowledge is a concept, and concepts are thoughts verbalised as words which are optical illusions of sound heard as words with meaning..superimposed by an assumed mind over what is essentially not-knowing no mind...no-thingness silence.
Can the knower that knows it is alive but doesn't know it's dead even exist, ...
Arising_uk wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:05 am
Yes, you are exactly such a thing.
Nope, what I am is not-a-thing, because things don't know anything, things are known by not-knowing. A thing is a concept known, that which is known cannot know anything. A thing is a fiction, it'd be like Bart Simpson knowing his biological father...kind of a redonkulous idea.

how would the knower even know what aliveness is without knowing what it isn't?
Arising_uk wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:05 am
Are you saying you are not alive?
Only knowledge is born...knowledge known by not-knowing ...a fiction.
How come there is a knower of life, but not a knower of death, ...
Arising_uk wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:05 am
You can know death, just find a dead body and hold it, smell it, taste it, see it. You can know you are alive, are you breathing? Are you moving? What do you think that is?
Knowledge known by not-knowing...a fictional character.
To really know you are born or die....you would have to witness your own birth and death...as first person singular witness, an accurate precise account via direct experience...and not via unreliable heresy, aka false witness second hand knowledge.....as you can see, there is no such occurrance of your own birth or death...and to say you witness other birth and deaths is a lie too...because those birth and deaths are appearing in your own consciousness that you cannot get outside of to be in the consciousnesss of another....so those other births and deaths you witness are more fictions within your own fictional life.



wouldn't that just mean that the only known knowledge is of life?
Arising_uk wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:05 am
No, it would mean one of the things we know is that we are a living thing.
Which is knowledge of living things, not actual living things... you have no direct experience of life in the external world. It's already in you. You are not in it.
A thing is a concept known...can a concept know it is a concept, can that which is known know what is knowing that known?
Arising_uk wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:05 am
Yes, you can have concepts of concepts if you wish.
Nope, a concept never said it's a concept ..it is an idea, a fiction, an imagined thing. The thinker has never been seen.

All concepts are known by not-knowing...fictional...not really there, appearing as if they are...in other words, they are empty illusory images of the imageless, unborn, undying.

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Re: Solipsism cannot be true

Post by Dontaskme » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:20 am

Dontaskme wrote:There is no such thing as a soliphist. ...
Arising_uk wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:27 am
I know but there are some who think themselves solipsists.
The 'some' is a thought, a thought is the thinker in the exact same instant one and the same No-thing...or as belief would have it fictional imaginings.


Soliphism is an idea arising to no thing. ...
Arising_uk wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:27 am
Ironically enough from what I understand of what you say you are proposing the ideal solipsist exists.
Yes, it exists as a fictional imagined idea.

This no thing doesn't deny the external world, for it's self-evident, to deny it would require something to make it not to be there, but since some thing is actually no thing.. no thing cannot make some thing disappear..it just ain't a happening.
Arising_uk wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:27 am
Hold tight! So does your 'no thing' exist in the the external world? If not what world is it living in?
The world it artificially creates from it's own not-knowing knowledge. There is no external or internal world, except in this conception conceived by nothing.



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Re: Solipsism cannot be true

Post by Dontaskme » Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:27 am

Kooky or what? :D
Arising_uk wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:24 am
If you mean your metaphysic then no not really. Its pretty old hat in Philosophy as its basically substance Monism and Idealism with, I suspect, a fair chunk of some gnu's westernized eastern religious mysticism.
No I mean kooky shit.

But you can call it what ever shit you like, I'm sticking with kooky.

All make-believed up shit, and shit is pretty much all the same stuff, some just smells and looks different, but usually it's just the same old difference.

Like I said, it's no one's metaphysic, metaphysic doesn't make such a claim on itself, without leaving a skid mark.

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