Dilemma of beginning of time

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Re: Dilemma of beginning of time

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Speakpigeon wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:38 pm
Atla wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:29 pm No, a beginning is a limit.
Sure, it's a limit.
There's an infinity of Real numbers between 0 and 1. It's an infinite set of numbers. So it's an infinite set. Yet, this infinite set has limits. Not just one limit. Two limits.
So, how does your semantic worldview explain that an infinite something has limits?
Atla wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:29 pm How old are you, 6?
I wish.
Atla wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:29 pm And if you think that contradictions like finite infinite, or no beginning with a beginning are logical, then maybe you should avoid logic alltogether.
Your words.
This of course is a really idiotic argument. You're getting lower and lower with each new post.
Atla wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:29 pm You are also too much of an idiot to comprehend that I can imagine your idea of infinite past with a beginning.
I'm not inside your head.
This is an idiotic argument. You're getting lower and lower with each new post.
I guess you're just upset.
We each have made our points and we disagree. No bad feelings.
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Time is not a set you idiot.

And even in mathematics the 0 1 intervallum is finite, even though it contains infinitely many real numbers.
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Speakpigeon wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:38 pm Sure, it's a limit.
There's an infinity of Real numbers between 0 and 1. It's an infinite set of numbers. So it's an infinite set. Yet, this infinite set has limits. Not just one limit. Two limits.
0, 1 are integers. The integer-set is infinite also.

Arbitrary points on an infinite line are not "beginnings", "ends" of "limits" to anything. They are just arbitrary points on an infinite line.

You've just chosen to overlook that which defeats your argument. As usual.
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Logik wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:59 pm
Speakpigeon wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:54 pm
Logik wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:44 am The open interval (-∞, +∞) doesn't have an "origin".
What does this have to do with anything. You're a triple idiot.
You show yourself an irrelevant fool with each new comment you make.
The fact that you can't see the relevance is evidence of your stupidity.
An open interval is a number line. You know what a number line is, right?
The very fucking thing you use to DO arithmetic. Like 1+2 = 3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_line
You seem to be pathologically unable to explain yourself.
What's keeping you?
It's very simple. You have an idea. Just explain the fucking idea.
Otherwise, what's the point? Just insult people?!
Sounds like someone who is frustrated...
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Re: Dilemma of beginning of time

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Logik wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:07 pm 0, 1 are integers. The integer-set is infinite also.
Arbitrary points on an infinite line are not "beginnings", "ends" of "limits" to anything. They are just arbitrary points on an infinite line.
You've just chosen to overlook that which defeats your argument. As usual.
LOL.
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Atla wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:59 pm Time is not a set you idiot.
???
The word "time" is not time you idiot.
Atla wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:59 pm And even in mathematics the 0 1 intervallum is finite, even though it contains infinitely many real numbers.
My point, thank you.
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Logik wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:48 pm You haven't made a point yet. You are just disagreeing.
This suggests madness rather than just idiocy.
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Re: Dilemma of beginning of time

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Speakpigeon wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:22 pm
Atla wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:59 pm Time is not a set you idiot.
???
The word "time" is not time you idiot.
Atla wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:59 pm And even in mathematics the 0 1 intervallum is finite, even though it contains infinitely many real numbers.
My point, thank you.
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You don't even realize when you disagree with yourself..
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Speakpigeon wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:23 pm
Logik wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:48 pm You haven't made a point yet. You are just disagreeing.
This suggests madness rather than just idiocy.
Well, I was willing to stop at calling you an "idiot", but if you concede madness it sure explains a lot.
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Re: Dilemma of beginning of time

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Speakpigeon wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:19 pm You seem to be pathologically unable to explain yourself.
What's keeping you?
It's very simple. You have an idea. Just explain the fucking idea.
Otherwise, what's the point? Just insult people?!
Sounds like someone who is frustrated...
EB
I am not trying to explain myself. I am trying to point out an error in your reasoning.

So practice what you preach, then :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Explain this fucking "finite infinity" already.

If there's an infinite number of real numbers between 0 and 1 then it follows that 1 - 0 = ∞ !

Surely.
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Re: Dilemma of beginning of time

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bahman wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:52 pm According to wiki: Infinity is a concept describing something without any bound
Nah. We conceive of the future as infinite, yet it has a lower bound, the present.
People should think a little bit more before making up stuff.
bahman wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:52 pm , or something larger than any natural number (ANN). For any ANN A+B=C where C>A and C>B. Infinity is however bigger than any ANN therefore C<infinity. Thus you cannot reach infinity by adding ANNs.
What does that have to do with T0 + infinity = Now?!
And I would have thought an infinitely long sum of 1's is infinite. I cannot do such a sum, yet I can conceive of it. Just add an infinite number of 1's.
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Atla wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:24 pm You don't even realize when you disagree with yourself..
You don't explain, as usual.
There has to be a reason for that.
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Speakpigeon wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:37 pm You don't explain, as usual.
There has to be a reason for that.
Yeah, there is.

I don't know where to buy a dictionary which translates English to PugeonStupid.
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Logik wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:35 pm I am not trying to explain myself. I am trying to point out an error in your reasoning.
???
OK, so, here I am, pointing out the error in your reasoning!
Done.
Nothing else is needed.
Whoa.
Logik wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:35 pm So practice what you preach, then :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Explain this fucking "finite infinity" already.
I already did.
Logik wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:35 pm If there's an infinite number of real numbers between 0 and 1 then it follows that 1 - 0 = ∞ ! Surely.
Yeah, good one.
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Logik wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:38 pm Yeah, there is. I don't know where to buy a dictionary which translates English to PugeonStupid.
Even your personal insults make you look like a fool.
Given the sheer number of your posts, it's a miracle you're not improving.
I'm safe.
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Re: Dilemma of beginning of time

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Speakpigeon wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:41 pm
Logik wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:35 pm If there's an infinite number of real numbers between 0 and 1 then it follows that 1 - 0 = ∞ ! Surely.
Yeah, good one.
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Well that IS your reasoning, Frenchie.

T0 + ∞ = now
0 + ∞ = 1

Have you ever seen a coin land on "heads" 25 times in a row?
I haven't. I don't think you are stupid - I just think you are trolling ;)
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