Yes, I am certain I know you: a better off Evangelical of some sort trying to skip a need to actually NEGOTIATE agreements because it is just to much easier to say that "God gave me my fortune." then to have to negotiate among real people to 'agreements'.DPMartin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:32 pmnope and nopeScott Mayers wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:59 pmYour belief would require trying to define 'spirit' that is earthly versus begging it as 'a spiritual thing', and then prove that animals lack a 'spirit'.DPMartin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:49 pm
we do or there's no distinction known as human nature, that is separate from animal nature. but there is a distinction from human and animal nature isn't there? seeing the activity exercised here.
flesh may be flesh but the spirit within is quite different isn't it?
The concept of "spirit" for the ancients was the literal air and anything that floated UP towards the sky. The mystery of it was that no one could 'see' this type of fluid (the biblical 'waters' of above was actually a word for fluids and "adam" the word for the earthly solids with "aten" the solid form or perfect shape of the sun.) The 'spirit' is the magic nature of this fluid from above versus the fluids of below (the air versus the water), is that they noticed if your nose and mouth were plugged, you'd panic and die. Thus it was a "good" thing to have this yet unable to determine for its invisibility. Scents and smoke were also considered spirits because the mystery of things burning to go up to the 'heavens' and that dead things smelled. The loss of matter as the body decayed or burned was understood to 'go to heaven' meaning literally, the sky.
Humans are only animals that have evolved with extreme flexibility to adapt to unpredictable environments. Other animals are conscious, feel, and reason too. They just lack a NEED to where the environment still favors them without.
man is distinct because he comes into agreements its not even a concept in the animal kingdom. besides I didn't ask if amoebas need agreements.
its apparent you might not get out much, go to a celebrated sporting event, such as football or soccer, go to a rock or cw concert, go witness a riot, then you will see the manifestation of spirit in mankind.
all that mystical jazz you just spewed out is a pack of lies, one shouldn't put any weight to it.
I apologize for the insult but what ends up happening is that the concept of religion to those with power USE this to impose upon those they are 'stealing' to justify why and is counter to 'negotiations' and thus agreement. And the origins of those original 'religions' were actually the past secular and POPULAR (democratic-like) forms that required collectives of people to assure their right to negotiate when the few in mere accidental inherent natures tend to prevent agreement from occurring unless it is on their side only.