No, it doesn't. Rather you just don't understand what the Law of Identity means.
Even though I know you have all the necessary concepts ready at your disposal.
Maybe it's a bit too profound, though.
What's blocking your mind?
EB
No, it doesn't. Rather you just don't understand what the Law of Identity means.
No. I would think of it as an abstract class called a banana. With individual properties which are themselves abstract classes.Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:56 pm All there is is an idea, the idea of bananas or the idea of apples. The idea of bananas is best described as an association of more basic ideas, like the mental visualisation of one or several bananas, perhaps the idea that it's a fruit, probably some idea as to the typical size of a banana etc.
You could think of that as the conjunction of several predicates. So?
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class Color(object):
def __init__(self, name):
self.name = name
class Banana(object):
def __init__(self):
self.color = Color('Yellow')
A = Banana()
print(A.color.name)
Fridge = []
for i in range(10):
Fridge.append(Banana())
Well, I just figured you would be consistent. When you speak of "ALL" X you spoke of sets. It doesn't matter.Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:56 pm Why an empty set?
I definitely believe there are things in the world that are bananas as I think of them. Not only it's not an empty set but it's a set that contain all the bananas that exist, that have existed and that will exist. It's a lot of bananas. Nothing like an empty set.
So why an empty set according to you?
And YET you can't tell me how, right? That SOMEHOW showing you how expressive English is, and how unexpressive your logic is.Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:56 pm You're not making sense.
Every one of your lines here is somehow wrong.
We are doing it right now!!!! What does it mean to you? We are talking about bananas abstractly!Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:56 pm Most people will believe there are bananas. As a matter of fact, I eat one every day!
What does it mean to talk about bananas in the abstract?
EB
OK. How do you express abstracts in logic?surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:45 pm An actual banana is concrete but the word banana is abstract so that is the difference
All physical objects that have a label / descriptor attached to them share this duality
Very good. If you do then explain to us what it means.Speakpigeon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:12 pm No, it doesn't. Rather you just don't understand what the Law of Identity means.
Logic is the foundation of mathematics and mathematics is the most rigorous language there isLogic wrote:
How do you express abstracts in logic ?
What is your meta language to speak ABOUT abstracts ?
Perfect that definition works for me. Now. Could we stop speaking abstractly about the abstract? Can we get concrete about the abstract?surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:51 pm Logic is the foundation of mathematics and mathematics is the most rigorous language there is
One can speak about abstracts using non mathematical or mathematical language [ or both but one will be superior ]
It does not matter in principle which one is used since every language is both abstract as well as describing abstracts
It only matters with regard to the degree of rigour employed and here mathematics is way more rigorous than non mathematics
You can not concretely express an abstract concept in logic or in any languageLogic wrote:
Could you please concretely express the abstract concept of a banana in logic
So your abstraction expresses absolutely nothing about the concept than the word already does?!?!? That's useless!surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:11 pm You can not concretely express an abstract concept in logic or in any language
However I can express the abstract concept in logic which is this : B = BANANA
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##### Abstract concept for a fruit
class Fruit():
pass
#### Abstract concept of banana which a type of fruit
class Banana(Fruit):
def __init__(self):
self.taste = None
self.color = None
self.smell = None
self.ripeness = None
self.cultivar = None
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# Instances of actual bananas.
A = Banana()
B = Banana()
C = Banana()
S = SMELL [ BETWEEN 0 / I ]Logic wrote:
I conceptualize a banana as a fruit that has color taste smell ripeness
OK these are dangling. Not associated with the banana in any way.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:30 pmS = SMELL [ BETWEEN 0 / I ]Logic wrote:
I conceptualize a banana as a fruit that has color taste smell ripeness
T = TASTE [ BETWEEN 0 / I ]
C = COLOUR [ BETWEEN 0 / I ]
R = RIPENESS [ BETWEEN 0 / I ]
These questions can be more easily answered using non formal non mathematical languageLogic wrote:
As soon as I add more concepts you are going to have to explain the relationships between them
A wet dog has a smell and color also . Maybe even a taste ! But it has no ripeness ! What now ?
Exactly! So fuck classical logic and stick to intuitionistic/paraconsistent logic, English.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:49 pm These questions can be more easily answered using non formal non mathematical language
Adjectives are excellent descriptors for emphasising the differences between experiences
Computer programmes / mathematical algorithms are too formal for this so are unsuitable
Yes it can, but electronic noses are an entirely different topic of discussion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_nosesurreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:49 pm A computer cannot really understand the difference between the smell of a dog and the smell of a banana