your post is wise/apt particularly of Judasim, so i wll address it per my view of.
-1- wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:22 pm
gaffo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:46 am
Saudi Arabia is a a more practicing Theocracy than Israel.
per the legal documents - per the foundation of Israel, i know it tries to conform both its "jewishness and its democracy" into one - but via today's environment, per that document, if force to chose (when you can't have both - as when the demographics demand removel of one or the other) - it has chosen theocracy.
Interesting topic.
yes i think so too.
-1- wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:22 pm
I think Israel is more "Jewish" than "Judaic".
I don;t see is distinction, but welcome you views of a difference between.
-1- wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:22 pm
It is a country established expressly for Jews.
yes, with the founding declairations of Israel to be both Jewish and Democractic..........of late her gov, is willing to through the latter under the buss for the preservation of the former.
-1- wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:22 pm
So what makes a person Jewish?
per my view - as a faith is it same as any other.
anyone that affirms YHWH as god, and denies Jesus as is Son, is a Jewish. regardless of their race,sex, etc....
If they affirm YHWH is Allah, then of course they are Muslims.
though theologically - and a reading of the Torah's theocracy = the Koran..the only distinction between one being a Jew or a Muslim, the the latters affirmation that the Koran affirms the former Torah is revalation from the same God.
so Jews that affirm the Torah affirm the same theology (one God, angels, Satan. etc.......only deny Allah is YHWH)
-1- wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:22 pm
That's what you have to examine, among other things, when you want to decide how theocratic Israel is.
agreed.
Israel has her "declariations" - 1/2 Jewish and 1/2 secular democracy - and again the founders may have assumed those two ideals were naturally in comfomity - but Naziyahoo shows that in the real world those two may end up on conflict.
he chose Judaism over Secular Equity, i chose the opposite.
and since he is the head of state of israel, and so israel, my concience compells me to oppose Israel currently (denying civil rights to the non jews - morsly in occ territories - but to a lesser degree to israeli arabs too)
-1- wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:22 pm
So... what is it that makes a person Jewish.
for me - it is a religion, if you affirm YHWH as god, and deny Christ as his son, and reject the Koran, you are a Jew.
for others it all about the Tribal Bloodline, even for these, they reject conversion to Judaism!
-1- wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:22 pm
Well, that's a question debated by Jews the world over.
yep.
yet not it is not a debate for christians nor muslims........these Faiths affirm conversion and ignore bloodlines.
why? - i think due to history of centuries of occupation millinia ago.
-1- wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:22 pm
You can be born into being Jewish, but you can also convert. So it's not the blood line,
rabid rabbis deny conversion to Judaism.
read the "Kings Torah" - authored by two Kyrat Arba Rabbis 8 yrs ago - a nice full books about how it is proper to killed a non jew baby (so as to prevent him growing up to become an anti-semetic/terrorist).
BTW Baruch Goldstien is though of a Jewish Hero by most Fudie Jews in the WB - instead of a terrorist that killed 30? muslims.
Goldstien was a an American from NYC, and a DOCTOR! (hypocratic oath - oath smoth!!!!!!!!) 20 yrs prior to moving the :holy land" tirning into a rabid animal of Judaic faith and mudering 30+ folks while they prayed.
-1- wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:22 pm
per se, hard-and-fast. You can believe in the Torah, or not, but if you are Jewish, then you are, whether you are religious or not, and to what degree. Is it a race? (or more accurately, a "nation", in the nation-state sense?) No, you can be Sephardic, Ashkenazi, or else simply a Black man, a Chinese, or a Mauri, you can still be Jewish.
jews 1500 yrs ago converted some Chinese - so yes there are a few thousand chinese that are Jewish today.
as there are Blacks (Ethiopeans) - due to history millinia ago.
-1- wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:22 pm
(Sammy Davis, JR., as an example.)
I know he was a Jew.
did he convert or was he a jew due to culture/an ethiopeon?
it important to be specific.
-1- wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:22 pm
You may say you have to speak Hebrew or Yiddish, like a Hungarian must speak the Hungarian language, but there are many Jews in Israel who speak neither.
the Holocost (mostly Jews died, but 50-percent of the dead were Roma (but Roma are all theaves, and have no Loby to remeber then so "mudd'perople'" ) removed Yiddish.
Yiddish will be a dead language soon.
as latin is today.
-1- wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:22 pm
So since Israel is a state or country of Jews, it has to accommodate many forms of being Jewish, ONE OF THEM BEING RELIGIOUS OR OVERLY RELIGIOUS. This does not mean that that's the only way to look at Israel, or even the major way of looking at Israel. The underlying spirit of governing Israel recognizes that.
no clue of what you are asking/saying. you post has wisdom, so ask clarify so i can discuss with you.
-1- wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:22 pm
If Israel was a theocracy, and nothing else,
never said "nothing else" - it was founded upon 50/50 - Jewish democracy.
Naziyahoo chose years ago the only value the Jewish half of those founding documents.
.................
BTW after King Faruq(sp) got ride of the english, and the same for Syria (from the French) and Jordan..........I'd love for you to provide me of those Soviern Nation's founding documents.
are their Theocractic in nature?
I'm too lazy to find educate myself, but if you have the time and will, you can inform yourself and educate me with a few links concerning the "founding national documents" of Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.
-1- wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:22 pm
then the seven-day war would have annihilated Israel.
I don't follow your conculsion.
that if isreal was a theocracy he would of last the 7 day war.
non-secuiter for me.
welcome how not for you though.
-1- wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:22 pm
The one-hundred and twenty-nine day war would have also. And the forty-two day war, and the two-day war, and the three-hundred and ninety-six day war, too. Not to mention the thirty-one day war, the two-hundred and seventy seven day war, and the square root of minus six factorial day war.
lol.
thanks for reply BTW. welcome more from you if willing.