I don't know if it's true or false, the symbol can be what ever it is imagined or believed to be.
What will put that true or false perception in place? ..and verify it to be true or false....please answer that?
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I don't know if it's true or false, the symbol can be what ever it is imagined or believed to be.
OK. I'll make it easier for you.
I like to narrow down the topic of Perception to Sensory Perception. So I am interested in Vision, Hearing, Taste, Smell, and Touch. I would throw Pain into the mix as a Sensory Perception even though it isn't strictly one of the 5 Senses. But this is too broad a spectrum of Perception Phenomena to tackle all at once. I like to study and think about Vision and just how it is that we See. We know we See by reflected Light, of all Colors. I think it is good to start with one Color, namely Red and try to understand how we See it.Wyman wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:43 am Would anyone like to have a discussion about that part of consciousness we call 'perception'?
I believe that perception is an activity and that we are much more like an artist creating our conscious experience than we are mere receivers of our conscious experience. This is contrary to, among others, David Hume and the British Empiricists. Hume characterized perceptions as 'impressions' that were stamped upon the mind. Plato also once used the metaphor of a clay tablet in describing perception, with percepts stamped upon the tablet. Both philosophers therefore believed that we are passive in the process of perception.
I disagree with such a characterization of perception. I think that the brain takes raw data and actively creates a model or picture of that data. And often, the brain creates the same or similar models with significantly different inputs of data. The activity of perception is like all our activities - learned when young until most of it becomes rote and habituated. Take walking - as toddlers, we struggle to even control our large muscle groups in the legs. Only after much trial and error do we stand and then eventually walk. Eventually, we cease to think about our legs at all when we walk. We say 'I am going to walk to the store' and not 'I am going to move my leg muscles thus and so.'
Perception is no different. We first learn to see shapes and colors. Then faces and other recognizable physical objects. After a while, the brain and eyes automatically supply the shapes and colors and even more complex visual representations by habit. We think that shapes and colors are 'given' or 'stamped' upon us. But they are merely subconsciously perceived by the brain while our conscious perception focuses elsewhere - on the new, the different, the fast moving, etc..
We do not say that our muscle movements while walking are somehow 'given' to us by outside forces. We say that the movements are done subconsciously. And so with perception - just because much of perception seems to come to us involuntarily (whether we like it or not), this does not mean that these aspects of perception are stamped upon us.
Somebody, anybody, nobody and everybody wants to know.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:51 pmWho wants to know?
..try asking a cat the same question and watch what happens..remember, all questions relate to an illusory self.
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To want to know is to create a knowledge known.Logik wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:54 pmSomebody, anybody, nobody and everybody wants to know.
Notice that you are skirting around the issue.
Would you like some SCUBA gear, so you can dive further into the abyss?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:58 pm To want to know is to create a knowledge known.
Knowledge is an appearance within unknowing, become known, so it has no reality, it's no more than just imagined dreamscape.
But lets get back on topic..please explain why and how consciousness is an emergent of the brain ..how do you know that?
Logik wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:00 pmWould you like some SCUBA gear, so you can dive further into the abyss?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:58 pm To want to know is to create a knowledge known.
Knowledge is an appearance within unknowing, become known, so it has no reality, it's no more than just imagined dreamscape.
But lets get back on topic..please explain why and how consciousness is an emergent of the brain ..how do you know that?
The thing is, you just don't know that consciousness is a by-product of the brain, and that is all I am trying to point out to you.
Questions relate to an illusory self...Stop identifying with the dream self, and get back to the source in which the dream self is arising.