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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by SpheresOfBalance » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:24 am

Judaka wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:54 am
Greta wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:41 am
As you are aware, all it takes is to make an attempt at fair mindedness rather than failing to question one's intrinsic biases.
The irony is thick... Even if others' are as hateful as you claim, shouldn't you at least strive to be better than them? You only stoop to their level and indulge in more of the same hate.
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:11 am
It would seem that all you dumb asses, you naysayers of people different than you, are science deficient.
More irony...

You guys are pretty much of the position that ALL Republicans (people different than you) are the scum of the Earth, you assume they have the worst intentions whenever you can and you have no time for nuance.

After my debate with Logik, I need a rest from any sort of hypocrisy and unquestionable self-assurance, I can't continue this here.
Not at all son, you are totally ignoring the word "SCIENCE!" So unfortunately your words are hollow, without any real substance! Go back to the drawing board and take some psychology, physiology, biochemistry, sociology then come back and tell me what you've learned, then we can talk the real deal! Otherwise it's simply ignorance (Judaka) versus knowledge (SOB).

How old are you son? Here I'll take a look to see if you've been forthcoming as to such info...

...I thought not! ;-)

Repeat over and over to yourself: "The Love of Wisdom, The Love of Wisdom, etc, etc" As that is indeed the essence of philosophy.

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Judaka » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:49 am

My comment has nothing to do with any of those things... lol

For you it's either "you're with me or you're against me" and there's no middle ground. All I asked is for you to be a bit more level-headed in your dealings with people and that has nothing with your opinion on the topic.

You know absolutely nothing about me, absolutely NOTHING and look at all the things you've said. More Logik logic, I can't right now. I won't talk to you again.

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by SpheresOfBalance » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:29 am

Judaka wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:49 am
My comment has nothing to do with any of those things... lol
Of course not, you're full of assumption, therefore, deserve nothing less.

For you it's either "you're with me or you're against me" and there's no middle ground. All I asked is for you to be a bit more level-headed in your dealings with people and that has nothing with your opinion on the topic.
Then, you asked no such thing, now you've asked, I presume. But the truth is, that as to 'different' people, there is no middle ground. We are all the same, despite majorities and minorities, the mob (philosophically) does NOT rule! PERIOD!!! If you believe in hard determinism then your position of lessor and greater falls flat on it's face.


You know absolutely nothing about me, absolutely NOTHING
INCORRECT! I know exactly the way in which you decided to make INITIAL contact with me, as I have never ever addressed YOU except in REBUTTAL.

and look at all the things you've said.
Look at all the things you've said!!! That you can dish it out but not take it, says a lot about you. The word "Coward," comes to mind. Another is actually two words, "ONE WAY!" A third is a phrase," It's my way or the highway." Or should I say, "It's Judaka's way or the highway."

More Logik logic, I can't right now. I won't talk to you again.
See what I mean, you express cowardice, afraid that your misconceptions shall be exposed for the frauds they are. Come back when you're mature son! I have no time for immaturity! ;-)

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by gaffo » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:20 am

Frank N Stein wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:41 am
gaffo wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:32 am
Sanders just lost my 2020 vote -sadly, i like the guy, but he does not think it right for full rights in a One State for all, where jews are a minority: i assume he thinks it is impossible for non-jews (muslims) to affirm democracy, and so chooses the trible option - reject the majority equal rights to afford a jewish minority with full rights:

per comment section of article linked above:

If a two-state solution fails, Takruri asked Sanders, would he support “one-state with equal rights for Israelis and Palestinians alike, and equal citizenship?”

“No, I don’t,” he said. “I mean, I think if that happens, then that would be the end of the state of Israel, and I support Israel’s right to exist.”

He opposes a state in which all citizens would have equal rights. He does so because in his own words, removing the foundations of inequality would bring about the downfall of a state he values. Apartheid is a necessary condition for the survival of that state, and he will continue to defend its interests. How does this position differ from that taken by Strom Thurmond or Theodore Bilbo when they stood against a civil rights movement that would spell the end of Jim Crow and- in their eyes- the Southland they so dearly loved.


this is all i need to know - sadly. I'll miss not voting for your Sanders, so sad, i really am, you showed promise for America, but chose tribalism over humanism so fuck you sir.

no vote from me.
You know that would mean the end of Israel,
the end of Israel as a Jewish majority state - not the end if it as a Democracy (Naziyooo is doing that all by himself - while maintaining a Jewish majority.
Frank N Stein wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:41 am
and that's what you want.
yes of course i want to see Israel as a Democracy - of jewish mojority or minority (its religions mix is irrelivent to me - only thing that matters is civil right to all living there as equal citizens (that leaves out the one million palistinians illegally occupied by the aparteid regime Israel.

Frank N Stein wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:41 am
Why don't you just mind your own beeswax and clean up your own country?
WTf is your deal anyway - you seem to get your panties in a knot when your beloved Theorcracy Israel is criticized? you Israeli or something?

-BTW Ameican is Israel's bitch: senate bill s-1 passed only a couple of day ago - criminalizes citicism of Isreal - and ignores the Supremecy Clause of the US Constitution as well as Bill of Rights 1st amendment.

but you are ok with that since you appearently aren't an American (nor a resident that live/values a similarly liberal society -CA/NZ/England etc........


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vAVJ_G2rf8

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Walker » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:49 am

Nick_A wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:59 am
The question then is why the hypocrisy? The answer is obvious. Because these liberals are hypocrites, hypocrisy is considered the norm for getting their way. The ends justify the means. Logic and common sense have nothing to do with it All that matters is how emotional, loud, and obnoxious these progressives can become in order to gain influence
I think it’s nothing more than a classic case of elitism-oriented, neo-progressivism that afflicts the recalcitrant-conditioned with the fall-back position of: Never am I so large as when I make you so small.

This evidences in actions such as emotional opinions, and fonts.

:wink:

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Nick_A » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:25 am

Walker wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:49 am
Nick_A wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:59 am
The question then is why the hypocrisy? The answer is obvious. Because these liberals are hypocrites, hypocrisy is considered the norm for getting their way. The ends justify the means. Logic and common sense have nothing to do with it All that matters is how emotional, loud, and obnoxious these progressives can become in order to gain influence
I think it’s nothing more than a classic case of elitism-oriented, neo-progressivism that afflicts the recalcitrant-conditioned with the fall-back position of: Never am I so large as when I make you so small.

This evidences in actions such as emotional opinions, and fonts.

:wink:
I agree. Have you noticed how much pride is expressed by the secular progressives in the form of becoming insulted? It is considered proof of their superiority that they must endure the stupidity of their intellectual inferiors.

I know you've studied Eastern religions so know that becoming insulted is a sign of ignorance and weakness. When I first read this in my studies I found it hard to accept. Surely that idiot over there must have some responsibility for me being insulted. But After I calmed down I had to admit it was true. There is no biological reason why I had to become insulted. It is just my weakness and a reaction provoked by a false sense of self importance.

In these times a person has to tip toe around the truth in order to avoid offending or insulting weak minds considered intelligent from becoming offended and acting loud and obnoxious. The result is being governed by lies designed to appeal to weakness and a false sense of self importance: the fruits of progressive education.

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Frank N Stein » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:04 am

gaffo wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:20 am
Frank N Stein wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:41 am
gaffo wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:32 am
Sanders just lost my 2020 vote -sadly, i like the guy, but he does not think it right for full rights in a One State for all, where jews are a minority: i assume he thinks it is impossible for non-jews (muslims) to affirm democracy, and so chooses the trible option - reject the majority equal rights to afford a jewish minority with full rights:

per comment section of article linked above:

If a two-state solution fails, Takruri asked Sanders, would he support “one-state with equal rights for Israelis and Palestinians alike, and equal citizenship?”

“No, I don’t,” he said. “I mean, I think if that happens, then that would be the end of the state of Israel, and I support Israel’s right to exist.”

He opposes a state in which all citizens would have equal rights. He does so because in his own words, removing the foundations of inequality would bring about the downfall of a state he values. Apartheid is a necessary condition for the survival of that state, and he will continue to defend its interests. How does this position differ from that taken by Strom Thurmond or Theodore Bilbo when they stood against a civil rights movement that would spell the end of Jim Crow and- in their eyes- the Southland they so dearly loved.


this is all i need to know - sadly. I'll miss not voting for your Sanders, so sad, i really am, you showed promise for America, but chose tribalism over humanism so fuck you sir.

no vote from me.
You know that would mean the end of Israel,
the end of Israel as a Jewish majority state - not the end if it as a Democracy (Naziyooo is doing that all by himself - while maintaining a Jewish majority.
Frank N Stein wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:41 am
and that's what you want.
yes of course i want to see Israel as a Democracy - of jewish mojority or minority (its religions mix is irrelivent to me - only thing that matters is civil right to all living there as equal citizens (that leaves out the one million palistinians illegally occupied by the aparteid regime Israel.

Frank N Stein wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:41 am
Why don't you just mind your own beeswax and clean up your own country?
WTf is your deal anyway - you seem to get your panties in a knot when your beloved Theorcracy Israel is criticized? you Israeli or something?

-BTW Ameican is Israel's bitch: senate bill s-1 passed only a couple of day ago - criminalizes citicism of Isreal - and ignores the Supremecy Clause of the US Constitution as well as Bill of Rights 1st amendment.

but you are ok with that since you appearently aren't an American (nor a resident that live/values a similarly liberal society -CA/NZ/England etc........


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vAVJ_G2rf8
Not at all. I just respond when I seen someone writing bullshit. You know perfectly well what a Jewish minority would mean (and you don't give a damn).

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Walker » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:16 am

Nick_A wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:25 am
Walker wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:49 am
Nick_A wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:59 am
The question then is why the hypocrisy? The answer is obvious. Because these liberals are hypocrites, hypocrisy is considered the norm for getting their way. The ends justify the means. Logic and common sense have nothing to do with it All that matters is how emotional, loud, and obnoxious these progressives can become in order to gain influence
I think it’s nothing more than a classic case of elitism-oriented, neo-progressivism that afflicts the recalcitrant-conditioned with the fall-back position of: Never am I so large as when I make you so small.

This evidences in actions such as emotional opinions, and fonts.

:wink:
I agree. Have you noticed how much pride is expressed by the secular progressives in the form of becoming insulted? It is considered proof of their superiority that they must endure the stupidity of their intellectual inferiors.

I know you've studied Eastern religions so know that becoming insulted is a sign of ignorance and weakness. When I first read this in my studies I found it hard to accept. Surely that idiot over there must have some responsibility for me being insulted. But After I calmed down I had to admit it was true. There is no biological reason why I had to become insulted. It is just my weakness and a reaction provoked by a false sense of self importance.

In these times a person has to tip toe around the truth in order to avoid offending or insulting weak minds considered intelligent from becoming offended and acting loud and obnoxious. The result is being governed by lies designed to appeal to weakness and a false sense of self importance: the fruits of progressive education.
Being different makes one special. The more different, the more special. The more initials tacked onto identity, the more special. Sort of like academic degrees, or the initials for professional credentials, which are earned in a different way than simply declaring a feeling about identity.

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Greta » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:38 am

Judaka wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:54 am
Greta wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:41 am
As you are aware, all it takes is to make an attempt at fair mindedness rather than failing to question one's intrinsic biases.
The irony is thick... Even if others' are as hateful as you claim, shouldn't you at least strive to be better than them? You only stoop to their level and indulge in more of the same hate.
What are you talking about?

Is this a thread about transpeople in sport or a competition for the moral high ground? Some here are keen to frame discussions in those terms and I see that simply as gaming, unrelated to anything even vaguely philosophical. Is it important for you to feel that you have the moral high ground? If so, why?

As for this general debacle of a thread, look at it this way: If there was a thread about whether a wall is the best way for the US to retain sovereignty do you think it would be reasonable for people to skip the subject matter and simply use the thread as a chance to attack Mexicans as people? Would you defend those attacking the Mexicans? Would you consider their approach to be good philosophy?

I probably should leave these things more but I don't like what I see as cowardly bullying, attacks on those unable to fight back.

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Judaka » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:41 am

Greta wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:38 am
What are you talking about?
I'm not saying you shouldn't defend your beliefs, standing up for your beliefs or refrain from arguing against the people in this thread. I'm not defending any of the individuals in this thread. I'm really referring to this comment:
This seems to just be just conservative tut-tutting about the concept of sex changes per se, seemingly because conservatives believe humans are all made perfect (aside from Democrats, liberals, progressives, secularists, Muslims, blecks, gays, transgenders, Chinese and women).
Conservatives in America... so many millions of people. Ranges of education levels, genders, ages, personalities, occupations, temperaments, motivations, lives and opinions. Can't you see how horrible it is to have a view like this about all of them? You hate all of them? You're convinced all of them are evil? You don't even know them.

Isn't blind and senseless hate what you're advocating against here? Or you just think your blind hate is valid while "theirs" isn't?

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Frank N Stein » Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:59 am

Judaka wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:41 am
Greta wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:38 am
What are you talking about?
I'm not saying you shouldn't defend your beliefs, standing up for your beliefs or refrain from arguing against the people in this thread. I'm not defending any of the individuals in this thread. I'm really referring to this comment:
This seems to just be just conservative tut-tutting about the concept of sex changes per se, seemingly because conservatives believe humans are all made perfect (aside from Democrats, liberals, progressives, secularists, Muslims, blecks, gays, transgenders, Chinese and women).
Conservatives in America... so many millions of people. Ranges of education levels, genders, ages, personalities, occupations, temperaments, motivations, lives and opinions. Can't you see how horrible it is to have a view like this about all of them? You hate all of them? You're convinced all of them are evil? You don't even know them.

Isn't blind and senseless hate what you're advocating against here? Or you just think your blind hate is valid while "theirs" isn't?
Anyone who calls himself 'conservative' is stating that he agrees with a certain set of ideas and political ideologies. It says some very definite things about that person's character. It indicates an unempathetic and rather mean-spirited personality, not to mention short-sighted, selfish and unimaginative. If people want to give themselves political labels then they just have to put up with others judging them by those same labels.

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Judaka » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:09 pm

Frank N Stein wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:59 am
Anyone who calls himself 'conservative' is stating that he agrees with a certain set of ideas and political ideologies. It says some very definite things about that person's character. It indicates an unempathetic and rather mean-spirited personality, not to mention short-sighted, selfish and unimaginative. If people want to give themselves political labels then they just have to put up with others judging them by those same labels.
Are you serious?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservat ... ted_States
American conservatism is a broad system of political beliefs in the United States that is characterized by respect for American traditions, republicanism, support for Judeo-Christian values,[1] moral universalism,[2] free markets and free trade,[3][4] anti-communism,[4][5] individualism,[4] advocacy of American exceptionalism,[6] and a defense of Western culture from the perceived threats posed by socialism, authoritarianism, and moral relativism.[7] American conservatives consider individual liberty—within the bounds of conformity to conservative American values—as the fundamental trait of democracy; this perspective contrasts with that of modern American liberals, who generally place a greater value on equality and social justice than on social order and tradition.[8][9] American conservatives also tend to believe in a small federal government limited to its constitution and very strong state governments.
Are you serious? Do you think is just entirely wrong or you just seriously think this is selfish and unimaginative etc?

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Frank N Stein » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:18 pm

Judaka wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:09 pm
Frank N Stein wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:59 am
Anyone who calls himself 'conservative' is stating that he agrees with a certain set of ideas and political ideologies. It says some very definite things about that person's character. It indicates an unempathetic and rather mean-spirited personality, not to mention short-sighted, selfish and unimaginative. If people want to give themselves political labels then they just have to put up with others judging them by those same labels.
Are you serious?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservat ... ted_States
American conservatism is a broad system of political beliefs in the United States that is characterized by respect for American traditions, republicanism, support for Judeo-Christian values,[1] moral universalism,[2] free markets and free trade,[3][4] anti-communism,[4][5] individualism,[4] advocacy of American exceptionalism,[6] and a defense of Western culture from the perceived threats posed by socialism, authoritarianism, and moral relativism.[7] American conservatives consider individual liberty—within the bounds of conformity to conservative American values—as the fundamental trait of democracy; this perspective contrasts with that of modern American liberals, who generally place a greater value on equality and social justice than on social order and tradition.[8][9] American conservatives also tend to believe in a small federal government limited to its constitution and very strong state governments.
Are you serious? Do you think is just entirely wrong or you just seriously think this is selfish and unimaginative etc?
Thanks, I should have added 'paranoid' to the list.

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Walker » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:37 pm

Judaka wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:41 am
Conservatives in America... so many millions of people. Ranges of education levels, genders, ages, personalities, occupations, temperaments, motivations, lives and opinions. Can't you see how horrible it is to have a view like this about all of them? You hate all of them? You're convinced all of them are evil? You don't even know them.

Isn't blind and senseless hate what you're advocating against here? Or you just think your blind hate is valid while "theirs" isn't?
Appeal to Tribalism 2:20
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkPZx6hjG7E

“I’m a raven claw!” :D


Perhaps weeping for the future is premature.

Do you think this video is an attempt to awaken millennials from old, worn-out progressive delusion?

Or

Do you think it’s accurate reporting of political ignorance which appeals to non-intellectual emotionalism, via a cynical parody of gullible Obamanites who are soothed by calculated speech patterns.

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Nick_A » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:19 pm

Judaka
Are you serious? Do you think is just entirely wrong or you just seriously think this is selfish and unimaginative etc?
Ideas reflecting awareness of and the attraction to the big picture and their importance will always be hated in a world that has lost this awareness. It is why those like Jesus and Socrates had to be killed. Their awakening influence could not be tolerated.

America was founded on such principles so over time conservatives who support the deeper ideas must be hated as well. I once had a thread on this site called "Secular Intolerance" which dealt with expressions of this hate towards the ideas within Plato's Cave analogy. They create the human condition people find too insulting to seriously consider much less admit. When awareness of the big picture is hated the only alternative to acquire prestige is through the glorification of superficiality

Have you noticed that superficiality has become hip? Why is a good question.

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