Bias Against Transgenders

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Greta » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:40 pm

Still wanking on about transpeople and not one post even close to addressing the OP.

I'm out of here. I can't stand the fanatical Pentecostal evangelism of you lot. Your rejection of science and reason is odious to most of the world and history will not look kindly upon your retrograde reactionary movement.

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Greta » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:48 pm

Quote from a Guardian article:
As a recovering Christaholic, 12 years sober from God, I’ve been asked before to explain why evangelicals stick with Donald Trump. After all, his attempts at appearing Christian are hopelessly pretentious, he’s bragged about his sins, and has built a career on casinos and half-naked women.

... “One of the reasons I support him is he doesn’t say what’s politically correct,” Jerry Falwell Jr, Liberty University president and today’s face of political evangelicalism, said on ABC This Week, when commenting on Trump’s outrage-inspiring response to the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville.

To evangelicals, pissing off liberals and defending unpopular opinions makes Trump appear more like one of them.

When I was a young evangelical Christian, I was eager to be oppressed for my faith. The Bible and my pastors had warned me to avoid “worldly” people – celebrities, intellectuals, scientists, the media and liberals. Those were the ones who forbid us from praying in school while indoctrinating us with communism and evolution.

Jesus once said: “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven.” So I went out of my way to piss people off – telling the goth kids they were prisoners of Satan’s lies, handing anti-abortion literature to the “loose” girls, and forcing science class to run late while I debated evolution with the teacher.

My entire identity became wrapped up in being disliked by a specific group of people, and they were happy to accommodate me. Trump has had no problem arousing hatred from those same “worldly people”, creating what appears to some like an imploding presidency, while others see a heroic martyr against liberalism.

... After nearly eight months in office, it’s becoming clear that many of Trump’s actions are not ideologically based, but designed to inspire maximum outrage from climate-scientists, academics, feminists, LGBTQ rights activists – pretty much every demographic that evangelicals hate. Whether he’s banning transgender soldiers from serving in the military, pardoning a vigilante sheriff, or refusing to properly distance himself from white supremacists, it’s not about the act itself, it’s about the negative reaction he gets from liberals.
Your behaviour is transparent. Entirely negatively based and generally reprehensible and unbefitting any philosophy forum.

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Frank N Stein » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:25 pm

Herein lies the danger of simplistic labelling. You can be irritated by the nauseating LGBTQP movement and not be a global warming-denier. You can be fed up with the anti-free speech tossers who call themselves 'liberals', and still NOT like Trump, or (not) be religious, or (not) be against equal rights (in marriage and everywhere else). Quit the stupid labelling. I'm liberal, but I hate self-proclaimed ''Liberals'' who don't appear to even know what the word means. I'm not 'Conservative' (irrational eugenicists), so which box would you put ME in, Greta?

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Greta » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:46 pm

Frank N Stein wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:25 pm
Herein lies the danger of simplistic labelling. You can be irritated by the nauseating LGBTQP movement and not be a global warming-denier. You can be fed up with the anti-free speech tossers who call themselves 'liberals', and still NOT like Trump, or (not) be religious, or (not) be against equal rights (in marriage and everywhere else). Quit the stupid labelling. I'm liberal, but I hate self-proclaimed ''Liberals'' who don't appear to even know what the word means. I'm not 'Conservative' (irrational eugenicists), so which box would you put ME in, Greta?
The concern is not with those who are difficult to place in boxes - that's good.

My complaint is with those here who do fit neatly into those boxes, or at least twist their psyches to fit. A simple cue is if they agree with everything their "side" embraces. For instance, I'd be labelled a "liberal" but I'm in favour of the death penalty and would prefer a serious limiting of immigration numbers.

Such disagreement with the "party line" would be impossible for others commenting on this thread. They appear to be thoroughly owned by their ideology and I've never seen them deviate from conservative social orthodoxies even once in years on these forums. Their vote can always be taken for granted by conservative politicians, just as long as they promise to cause trouble for 1) women seeking abortions 2) queer people 3) feminists 4) people with dark skin.

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Frank N Stein » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:21 am

Greta wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:46 pm
Frank N Stein wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:25 pm
Herein lies the danger of simplistic labelling. You can be irritated by the nauseating LGBTQP movement and not be a global warming-denier. You can be fed up with the anti-free speech tossers who call themselves 'liberals', and still NOT like Trump, or (not) be religious, or (not) be against equal rights (in marriage and everywhere else). Quit the stupid labelling. I'm liberal, but I hate self-proclaimed ''Liberals'' who don't appear to even know what the word means. I'm not 'Conservative' (irrational eugenicists), so which box would you put ME in, Greta?
The concern is not with those who are difficult to place in boxes - that's good.

My complaint is with those here who do fit neatly into those boxes, or at least twist their psyches to fit. A simple cue is if they agree with everything their "side" embraces. For instance, I'd be labelled a "liberal" but I'm in favour of the death penalty and would prefer a serious limiting of immigration numbers.

Such disagreement with the "party line" would be impossible for others commenting on this thread. They appear to be thoroughly owned by their ideology and I've never seen them deviate from conservative social orthodoxies even once in years on these forums. Their vote can always be taken for granted by conservative politicians, just as long as they promise to cause trouble for 1) women seeking abortions 2) queer people 3) feminists 4) people with dark skin.
I know exactly what you mean. It's very sad that people can't simply think rationally and take every subject on its own merits, rather than simply following the 'party line' on everything. That's just being a moronic sheeperson.

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by SpheresOfBalance » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:58 am

Kayla wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:23 pm
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:47 pm
With at least wrestling, boxing and Karate people physically compete in weight classes/divisions and it should be such with all physical competition, else it's just about bullying. I mean would there be any real physical competition between Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime and Peewee Herman in his? Competition should be more skill based than brute force!
i workout regularly, run daily - and yet in terms of upper body strength i am not much ahead of a male couch potato in my weight and height category

i know men my height who exercise as much as i do - and they are way ahead of me when it comes to upper body strength

so simply splitting people into similar height and weight category would not work for a lot of sports
Maybe what you say is true and maybe it's not. But what else do we have? I stand behind my OP, their should be weight classes/divisions. When I took Karate all those years ago I was in the, believe it or not, "PeeWee division." Yep, that's what they called it! ;-)

My point is that it's unfair to physically compete against one that is either weaker or stronger than you. In all cases of unequal strength it can only be seen as bullying.

We all follow this bell curve: "weak initially, strong in our prime, and finally weak again." So in such a case what does superior strength actually mean? Simple, it's a form of bullying!

When strength is equal the victor wins due to skill/intellect and nothing else!

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Nick_A » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:59 am

Greta wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:40 pm
Still wanking on about transpeople and not one post even close to addressing the OP.

I'm out of here. I can't stand the fanatical Pentecostal evangelism of you lot. Your rejection of science and reason is odious to most of the world and history will not look kindly upon your retrograde reactionary movement.

As usual you are the one who doesn't understand the problem. Since you are oblivious of the human condition you don't understand that the problem is hypocrisy. The liberals speak of equality and the ability for anyone to decide what gender they represent. But when a man decides to enter a contest for women as a woman because he decided he is a woman, all of a sudden the hypocrites recognize gender differences. The question then is why the hypocrisy? The answer is obvious. Because these liberals are hypocrites, hypocrisy is considered the norm for getting their way. The ends justify the means. Logic and common sense have nothing to do with it All that matters is how emotional, loud, and obnoxious these progressives can become in order to gain influence

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by SpheresOfBalance » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:02 am

Greta wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:40 pm
Still wanking on about transpeople and not one post even close to addressing the OP.

I'm out of here. I can't stand the fanatical Pentecostal evangelism of you lot. Your rejection of science and reason is odious to most of the world and history will not look kindly upon your retrograde reactionary movement.
From your first post, I've loved you Greta. Why? Because yours is almost always the voice of reason!! ;-) :-* (<-- no worries that kiss was meant for your cheeks, my fellow voice of reason!) Great minds and all that, you know! It's always a breath of fresh air. ;-)

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by gaffo » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:19 am

Frank N Stein wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:25 pm
Herein lies the danger of simplistic labelling. You can be irritated by the nauseating LGBTQP movement and not be a global warming-denier. You can be fed up with the anti-free speech tossers who call themselves 'liberals', and still NOT like Trump, or (not) be religious, or (not) be against equal rights (in marriage and everywhere else). Quit the stupid labelling. I'm liberal, but I hate self-proclaimed ''Liberals'' who don't appear to even know what the word means. I'm not 'Conservative' (irrational eugenicists), so which box would you put ME in, Greta?
concur fully.

but i'm just a "Jews hating antisemite KKK member".

ignore me - so sad (did you change your "name" here from "Frank N" formerly?) since outside of Israel all your posts agree with mine.

again ignore me, i'm just a racist pig.

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by gaffo » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:27 am

Greta wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:46 pm
Frank N Stein wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:25 pm
Herein lies the danger of simplistic labelling. You can be irritated by the nauseating LGBTQP movement and not be a global warming-denier. You can be fed up with the anti-free speech tossers who call themselves 'liberals', and still NOT like Trump, or (not) be religious, or (not) be against equal rights (in marriage and everywhere else). Quit the stupid labelling. I'm liberal, but I hate self-proclaimed ''Liberals'' who don't appear to even know what the word means. I'm not 'Conservative' (irrational eugenicists), so which box would you put ME in, Greta?
The concern is not with those who are difficult to place in boxes - that's good.

My complaint is with those here who do fit neatly into those boxes, or at least twist their psyches to fit. A simple cue is if they agree with everything their "side" embraces. For instance, I'd be labelled a "liberal" but I'm in favour of the death penalty and would prefer a serious limiting of immigration numbers.

Such disagreement with the "party line" would be impossible for others commenting on this thread. They appear to be thoroughly owned by their ideology and I've never seen them deviate from conservative social orthodoxies even once in years on these forums. Their vote can always be taken for granted by conservative politicians, just as long as they promise to cause trouble for 1) women seeking abortions 2) queer people 3) feminists 4) people with dark skin.
the problem is the majority in the middle - partial racists/mysogynists/etc.........and i'm not either - but am SICK of the endless drumbeat of LIGTQA..etc 100+ additions (must include one legged black lesbions too). if the endless drumbeat is driving me away, what is it doing to the vast middle majority?

subtlety please, to appeal to the middle and not make it a trial for those on the left to remain where we have been since the 70's

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Frank N Stein » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:33 am

gaffo wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:19 am
Frank N Stein wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:25 pm
Herein lies the danger of simplistic labelling. You can be irritated by the nauseating LGBTQP movement and not be a global warming-denier. You can be fed up with the anti-free speech tossers who call themselves 'liberals', and still NOT like Trump, or (not) be religious, or (not) be against equal rights (in marriage and everywhere else). Quit the stupid labelling. I'm liberal, but I hate self-proclaimed ''Liberals'' who don't appear to even know what the word means. I'm not 'Conservative' (irrational eugenicists), so which box would you put ME in, Greta?
concur fully.

but i'm just a "Jews hating antisemite KKK member".

ignore me - so sad (did you change your "name" here from "Frank N" formerly?) since outside of Israel all your posts agree with mine.

again ignore me, i'm just a racist pig.
I wasn't 'Frank N'. I don't mind discussing Israel rationally with you, but you always start to babble incoherently when then topic comes up.

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by gaffo » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:39 am

Frank N Stein wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:33 am
gaffo wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:19 am
Frank N Stein wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:25 pm
Herein lies the danger of simplistic labelling. You can be irritated by the nauseating LGBTQP movement and not be a global warming-denier. You can be fed up with the anti-free speech tossers who call themselves 'liberals', and still NOT like Trump, or (not) be religious, or (not) be against equal rights (in marriage and everywhere else). Quit the stupid labelling. I'm liberal, but I hate self-proclaimed ''Liberals'' who don't appear to even know what the word means. I'm not 'Conservative' (irrational eugenicists), so which box would you put ME in, Greta?
concur fully.

but i'm just a "Jews hating antisemite KKK member".

ignore me - so sad (did you change your "name" here from "Frank N" formerly?) since outside of Israel all your posts agree with mine.

again ignore me, i'm just a racist pig.
I wasn't 'Frank N'. I don't mind discussing Israel rationally with you, but you always start to babble incoherently when then topic comes up.
my mistake concerning your name.

I value reason and facts, including discussion about Israel - as long as it's without personal invective.

you rejected my GA/peace pipe 3 time prior, willing to extend the offering if you are honest in your post above.

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by Nick_A » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:50 am

gaffo wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:27 am
Greta wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:46 pm
Frank N Stein wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:25 pm
Herein lies the danger of simplistic labelling. You can be irritated by the nauseating LGBTQP movement and not be a global warming-denier. You can be fed up with the anti-free speech tossers who call themselves 'liberals', and still NOT like Trump, or (not) be religious, or (not) be against equal rights (in marriage and everywhere else). Quit the stupid labelling. I'm liberal, but I hate self-proclaimed ''Liberals'' who don't appear to even know what the word means. I'm not 'Conservative' (irrational eugenicists), so which box would you put ME in, Greta?
The concern is not with those who are difficult to place in boxes - that's good.

My complaint is with those here who do fit neatly into those boxes, or at least twist their psyches to fit. A simple cue is if they agree with everything their "side" embraces. For instance, I'd be labelled a "liberal" but I'm in favour of the death penalty and would prefer a serious limiting of immigration numbers.

Such disagreement with the "party line" would be impossible for others commenting on this thread. They appear to be thoroughly owned by their ideology and I've never seen them deviate from conservative social orthodoxies even once in years on these forums. Their vote can always be taken for granted by conservative politicians, just as long as they promise to cause trouble for 1) women seeking abortions 2) queer people 3) feminists 4) people with dark skin.
the problem is the majority in the middle - partial racists/mysogynists/etc.........and i'm not either - but am SICK of the endless drumbeat of LIGTQA..etc 100+ additions (must include one legged black lesbions too). if the endless drumbeat is driving me away, what is it doing to the vast middle majority?

subtlety please, to appeal to the middle and not make it a trial for those on the left to remain where we have been since the 70's
Some people are unwilling to compromise in the cause of peace and need expert assistance.

Imagine a woman who is used to being raped six times a week buys a gun and tells the rapist if he comes near her again he's a dead man. Now this is a violent reaction and cool heads soon enter the picture and offer the perfect compromise. Since he wants to rape her six times a week and she doesn't want to be raped at all, the perfect compromise is her agreeing to be raped three times week. The ultimate appeal to the middle. He gives a little and she gives a little. A sign of real intelligence.

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by gaffo » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:56 am

Nick_A wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:50 am
gaffo wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:27 am
Greta wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:46 pm


The concern is not with those who are difficult to place in boxes - that's good.

My complaint is with those here who do fit neatly into those boxes, or at least twist their psyches to fit. A simple cue is if they agree with everything their "side" embraces. For instance, I'd be labelled a "liberal" but I'm in favour of the death penalty and would prefer a serious limiting of immigration numbers.

Such disagreement with the "party line" would be impossible for others commenting on this thread. They appear to be thoroughly owned by their ideology and I've never seen them deviate from conservative social orthodoxies even once in years on these forums. Their vote can always be taken for granted by conservative politicians, just as long as they promise to cause trouble for 1) women seeking abortions 2) queer people 3) feminists 4) people with dark skin.
the problem is the majority in the middle - partial racists/mysogynists/etc.........and i'm not either - but am SICK of the endless drumbeat of LIGTQA..etc 100+ additions (must include one legged black lesbions too). if the endless drumbeat is driving me away, what is it doing to the vast middle majority?

subtlety please, to appeal to the middle and not make it a trial for those on the left to remain where we have been since the 70's
Some people are unwilling to compromise in the cause of peace and need expert assistance.

Imagine a woman who is used to being raped six times a week buys a gun and tells the rapist if he comes near her again he's a dead man. Now this is a violent reaction and cool heads soon enter the picture and offer the perfect compromise. Since he wants to rape her six times a week and she doesn't want to be raped at all, the perfect compromise is her agreeing to be raped three times week. The ultimate appeal to the middle. He gives a little and she gives a little. A sign of real intelligence.
I don't follow.
i'm dumb and welcome clarification.

thank for reply though!

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Re: Bias Against Transgenders

Post by SpheresOfBalance » Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:11 am

It would seem that all you dumb asses, you naysayers of people different than you, are science deficient.

You know diddly of physiology or psychology. You're as dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to understanding what humans are in all our variations. You people are the inbred stupefied fucks of our world. And this includes "ALL BIGOTS." Your IGNORANCE DIRECTLY INFORMS YOUR INTOLERANCE!!!! YOU'RE ALL FOOLS!!! AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT AGE OLD BOOK OF IGNORANCE OF WHICH YOU RECITE. AS ARCHAIC/ANTIQUATED IDEAS ARE ALWAYS FOUND IN ARCHAIC/ANTIQUATED BOOKS WRITTEN BY ARCHAIC/ANTIQUATED PEOPLE, AS EVOLUTION AND INTELLIGENCE MARCHES ON!!!!!!! QUITE FRANKLY LEAVING YOU FEARFUL LOT IN THE DUST OF MISUNDERSTANDING.

Grow up! it's time to shed you shield of ignorance and fear, difference does not, I repeat, does not, suck your brains out or kill you!!! Quite the contrary, in informs and ensures your wisdom. In fact you shouldn't even be here, as this is a forum for those that love wisdom, as that is indeed the definition of philosophy. Though as with the understanding of Rick, your benefactor here, you should not be cast out, as maybe with enough time, you'll actually learn a little of what philosophy teaches us.

You know, as the "father of all science!"

I DON'T CARE HOW PEOPLE ARE BORN, LUCKY OR UNLUCKY TO BE A PART OF "THE MOB," I ONLY CARE ABOUT THE TRUTH OF THINGS AS THAT'S ALL THAT'S IMPORTANT, ALL ELSE BUT THE TRUTH OF THINGS IS TOTAL BULL SHIT! INSTEAD OF BARKING YOUR IGNORANCE, GO TO SCHOOL AND TRY AND LEARN A LITTLE. IF YOU DO, EVENTUALLY, IF YOU PAY ATTENTION, YOU'LL FIND YOU NO LONGER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THESE TRIVIALITIES THAT YOU'RE IN SUCH FEAR OF. THEN FINALLY YOU'LL BE OF THE MINDSET THAT CAN ACTUALLY HANDLE THE REAL CONCERNS OF MODERN HUMANKIND.

Again, grow the fuck up and learn the truth of things!

If some of you religious people are so stupid, so as to believe that just because those ancient people were ignorant of the decease’s epilepsy and schizophrenia, that they couldn't have existed amongst them, I truly feel sorry for you and your intellect. It would be as stupid as saying that Socrates wouldn't have died if he'd been given gasoline to drink instead of a solution of hemlock, because he would have been ignorant of what the hell gasoline was, which is moronic!!! According to science it's 90-some percent certain that Ezekiel was an epileptic and pretty damned probable that those that believe that your god spoke to them were schizophrenic. In their time how would anyone know the difference? They wouldn't, as in that time they were oblivious of those truths. And that's the price you pay for believing in an AGE-OLD text of unprovable dogma!

The really funny thing is that all you biblical believers wholly depend upon "millions" of scientific discoveries and inventions. Your phone, computer, clocks, recipes, air conditioners, furnaces, plumbing, flying, automotive's, farming, medicine and the list goes on and on and on...
Yes, some even started back in those days, like concrete. But a lot of the age-old beliefs has proven to be crap, if you don't believe me the next time you get cut I'll bleed you to excise the bad spirits, and that foolish belief was as late as sometime in the 1800's. It's your fear of death that keeps you believing something so unprovable, as that fear has been plaguing humankind since at least it's beginning.

Get a clue people, when you die, consciously, you're probably over for good, except that it's true that all the elements that were a part of you, that you've simply borrowed, shall return from whence they came, to probably be borrowed yet again; 'rinse and repeat.'

OK I'm done trying to upgrade you to the now of thinking. You can either live in that ancient past so full or ignorance or upgrade to the now of human existence, it's your choice after all.

But leave one another alone, or be dealt those things you inflict. You people better be glad I'm not the father of the universe, as among humans I'd make ones selfish intent miss the target and instead be reflected right back at the wielder. That'd fix you witless fuckers!!!

So says the man (VETERAN) that spent sixteen years protecting all you brain dead fucks. Apparently from yourselves.

"The epitome of insane is the one that becomes that thing they fear"

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