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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by Lacewing » Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:12 am

Age wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:52 pm
'Spiritual' clarity, which overrides ALL human noise.

Because mos human beings only know, and only listen to, human noise.
Not sure why you seem to think you're saying something different from what I said...
Lacewing wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:52 am
It seems to make sense that it's hard to have clarity when one is filled with noise.
Do you think a person either has complete spiritual clarity or is completely filled with noise? Is it not possible to experience each in varying degrees?

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by Dachshund » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:09 am

Walker wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:09 pm
Lacewing wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:19 pm
Walker wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:33 am

For now, I prefer to allow you opportunities to express your clarity, instead of the usual fog.
More of your cowardly avoidance and dishonest attempts to stir up a fog to deflect and obstruct. A lame-ass pattern you seem strangely impressed by and addicted to when avoiding your own accountability. Which makes it clear that clarity is an enemy of your crap and your need for protecting it.
Dachshund, this is your thread.

Get that monkey off my back.

:D
I would be happy to help, Walker, but I do not understand what point Lacewing is trying to make? All I see is generic abuse being hurled; I do not know what specific issue/s Lacewing is reacting to ?

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by Greta » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:42 am

Nick_A wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:05 am
The state has become the alpha male. it has taken the place of the husband. It has feminized the husband into a money making slave afraid to be male. This is all by design. Once the state takes over the responsibility of the husband the wife will vote for whoever offers protection and guidance. Hello socialism.

Destruction of the nuclear family and having the state taking the place of the husband serves the same purpose as spirit killing in the young. The state becomes the Great God of the Great Beast and who argues with God? Not some woman who depends on her God.

Freedom requires responsibility. Men have forgotten theirs and women have also forgotten theirs in support of the nuclear family. They have sold out for the proverbial thirty pieces of silver and now even believe somehow that diversity will make matters better. Classic secular progressive education. Long live the Great God of the Great Beast. Now a BS degree has an entirely new more authentic meaning in the war against freedom.
In truth, more power sharing within marriage took the place of autocracy.

As always, you fail to notice the obvious links between overpopulation and financial inequality and all that you complain about - breakdown of marriage, state controls, loss of prosperity, loss of community. Instead you blame it on women, and I can only imagine the number of rejections you must have experienced to bring you to this state of rigid homophilosophy.

There is an entire dimension of reality to which you and your ilk appear blind, like Flatlanders flailing angrily at a multi-dimensional world.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by Nick_A » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:26 am

Greta
In truth, more power sharing within marriage took the place of autocracy.

As always, you fail to notice the obvious links between overpopulation and financial inequality and all that you complain about - breakdown of marriage, state controls, loss of prosperity, loss of community. Instead you blame it on women, and I can only imagine the number of rejections you must have experienced to bring you to this state of rigid homophilosophy.

There is an entire dimension of reality to which you and your ilk appear blind, like Flatlanders flailing angrily at a multi-dimensional world.
Your motto should be: "shoot first and ask questions later." Your need to condemn prevents any ability to see: to open to a higher perspective.

The human condition and the universal laws which create its expression are the reason why without help from above everything turns in circles. Why blame women? They are as much a slave to the human condition as men. A free society is only possible when its metaxu serves as a source connecting a society with its source and its leaders protect this relationship.

Now progressives are doing their level best to cheapen metaxu as done now with ridiculing the traditional mrriage and install leaders dedicated to replacing liberty with statist slavery.

If you understood universal purpose and the universal laws which sustain it you would know why everything in nature turns in circles. Secularists prefer to remain ignorant and get their satisfaction through complaining and casting blame while remaining blissfully ignorant of why everything is as it is and clueless as to what could remedy the human condition. Under these conditions the idea that diversity is by definition an asset for a society with the goal of freedom is proof of secular lunacy.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by Nick_A » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:03 am

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/27/media/to ... index.html
New York (CNN Business)NBC News, facing mounting backlash stemming from former "NBC Nightly News" anchor Tom Brokaw's comments that Hispanics should "work harder at assimilation" into American culture, distanced the network from his "inappropriate" commentary.
"Tom's comments were inaccurate and inappropriate and we're glad he apologized," an NBC spokesperson said Monday.
Shocking!! How could he even think such a thing much less say it? Why should new arrivals in America want to assimilate much less work at it? Absurd!

The goose that laid the golden eggs representing American principles and values is now dead. Only the eggs, the results, remain and the diverse denying assimilation are doing their best to consume them while they can. When the eggs are gone the result will either chaos or a form of statist slavery.

But in the meantime everyone on this thread (except me) who has questioned the value of denying assimilation in support of diversity must apologize as did Tom Brokaw. Not to so so will incur the wrath of the politically correct. You wouldn’t want to do that.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by Age » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:10 am

Lacewing wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:12 am
Age wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:52 pm
'Spiritual' clarity, which overrides ALL human noise.

Because mos human beings only know, and only listen to, human noise.
Not sure why you seem to think you're saying something different from what I said...
You said:
If you want to truly consider human nature interfering with spiritual nature, you have to stop the human noise.
And:
It seems to make sense that it's hard to have clarity when one is filled with noise. What do you think?

I say: What you call "spiritual nature" already has clarity, no matter how much human noise is being made.

So, there are two reasons why I seem to think that I am saying some thing different to what you said. This is because:
1. You have to stop human noise if you want to truly consider human nature interfering with spiritual nature. Whereas, I do not have to do any such thing. And,
2. To you it seems to make sense that it is hard to have clarity when one is filled with noise. Whereas, I KNOW just how truly simple and easy it really is to gain and have clarity, even with ALL of the human noise going on.
Lacewing wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:52 am
It seems to make sense that it's hard to have clarity when one is filled with noise.
When you have crystal clear clarity, then it really is very easy to just distinguish between what is just noise and what is actually real and true.
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:12 am
Do you think a person either has complete spiritual clarity or is completely filled with noise?
That all depends on over what length of period are you talking about?

Some people, at times, have complete spiritual clarity while at other times they are completely filled with noise. Some people are filled with noise more than others are and some have more spiritual clarity than others have. Some other people may be able to reach complete spiritual clarity for very short periods but are most of the time filled with or partly filled with noise, while other people may never have had complete spiritual clarity but are far less filled with noise compared to the other person. There are just to many people with countless many variables and varying degrees of differences of complete clarity to complete noise in every thing else in between to actually discuss this to its full extend.

But there is, at the moment, no person that I can see who has always complete spiritual clarity nor completely filled with noise.

For example, some people who appear to be filled with the most noise have themselves moments of absolute perfect crystal clear clarity, which unfortunately, others usually are not listening to nor even want to hear.
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:12 am
Is it not possible to experience each in varying degrees?
It is very possible to experience each in varying degrees.

I have yet to see otherwise.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by Lacewing » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:47 am

Age...I think you're taking all of this a bit too extreme and out of context.

I said this to Nick "If you want to truly consider human nature interfering with spiritual nature, you have to stop the human noise." This was applicable based on things he has said about human nature interfering with spiritual nature. I wanted to point out the element of human noise to him (which he has a lot of).

I said this in response to you "It seems to make sense that it's hard to have clarity when one is filled with noise". It is a general statement... not some sort of absolute.

Here you wrote your interpretations of me...
Age wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:10 am
1. You have to stop human noise if you want to truly consider human nature interfering with spiritual nature. Whereas, I do not have to do any such thing.
Well, no... there are many degrees and variables (to everything) from my perspective. You are mistaken if you think you know some sort of absolute in regard to what I am referring to as "spiritual nature"... or some certain way it must be experienced. I don't think that way.
Age wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:10 am
2. To you it seems to make sense that it is hard to have clarity when one is filled with noise. Whereas, I KNOW just how truly simple and easy it really is to gain and have clarity, even with ALL of the human noise going on.
You remind me of dontaskme, in that she always wanted to have "the best/highest answer".

It CAN OFTEN be hard to have clarity when one is filled with noise. It is also possible to have clarity despite the noise. You seem intent on disputing some rigid interpretation of my words in order to classify me compared to you. There's really not that much disagreement here. :lol:
Age wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:10 am
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:12 am
Do you think a person either has complete spiritual clarity or is completely filled with noise?
That all depends on over what length of period are you talking about?
Really? How about over the span of just a few moments? Or a lifetime. Does it matter?

Below you acknowledge how much it varies...
Age wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:10 am
Some people, at times, have complete spiritual clarity while at other times they are completely filled with noise. Some people are filled with noise more than others are and some have more spiritual clarity than others have. Some other people may be able to reach complete spiritual clarity for very short periods but are most of the time filled with or partly filled with noise, while other people may never have had complete spiritual clarity but are far less filled with noise compared to the other person. There are just to many people with countless many variables and varying degrees of differences of complete clarity to complete noise in every thing else in between to actually discuss this to its full extend.

But there is, at the moment, no person that I can see who has always complete spiritual clarity nor completely filled with noise.
You said earlier "Whereas, I KNOW just how truly simple and easy it really is to gain and have clarity, even with ALL of the human noise going on."

So why don't you do it all of the time? (Or do you not include yourself in the bolded statement above?)

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Post by Nick_A » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:49 am

Has anyone here really wondered what the difference is between spiritual nature and animal nature?

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Post by Greta » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:32 am

Nick_A wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:26 am
Greta
In truth, more power sharing within marriage took the place of autocracy.

As always, you fail to notice the obvious links between overpopulation and financial inequality and all that you complain about - breakdown of marriage, state controls, loss of prosperity, loss of community. Instead you blame it on women, and I can only imagine the number of rejections you must have experienced to bring you to this state of rigid homophilosophy.

There is an entire dimension of reality to which you and your ilk appear blind, like Flatlanders flailing angrily at a multi-dimensional world.
Your motto should be: "shoot first and ask questions later." Your need to condemn prevents any ability to see: to open to a higher perspective.
You shot first, I returned fire. If someone started slamming men that way you attack women then your response would be fast and fierce. You know this is true. Must we play these games?
Nick_A wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:26 am
The human condition and the universal laws which create its expression are the reason why without help from above everything turns in circles. Why blame women?
I've wondered why you do. It all reeks of personal issues - where's the attempts at objectivity?

Nick_A wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:26 am
They are as much a slave to the human condition as men. A free society is only possible when its metaxu serves as a source connecting a society with its source and its leaders protect this relationship.

Now progressives are doing their level best to cheapen metaxu as done now with ridiculing the traditional mrriage and install leaders dedicated to replacing liberty with statist slavery.
You seem to have missed my last post. Maybe this will help?

You fail to notice the obvious links between overpopulation and financial inequality and all that you complain about - breakdown of marriage, state controls, loss of prosperity, loss of community. Instead you blame it on women, feminism and your myth of secular societies.
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Nick_A wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:03 am
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/27/media/to ... index.html
New York (CNN Business)NBC News, facing mounting backlash stemming from former "NBC Nightly News" anchor Tom Brokaw's comments that Hispanics should "work harder at assimilation" into American culture, distanced the network from his "inappropriate" commentary.
"Tom's comments were inaccurate and inappropriate and we're glad he apologized," an NBC spokesperson said Monday.
Shocking!! How could he even think such a thing much less say it? Why should new arrivals in America want to assimilate much less work at it? Absurd!

The goose that laid the golden eggs representing American principles and values is now dead. Only the eggs, the results, remain and the diverse denying assimilation are doing their best to consume them while they can. When the eggs are gone the result will either chaos or a form of statist slavery.

But in the meantime everyone on this thread (except me) who has questioned the value of denying assimilation in support of diversity must apologize as did Tom Brokaw. Not to so so will incur the wrath of the politically correct. You wouldn’t want to do that.
Tom actually had to apologize because he used the wrong catch phrase. He used "work harder", and not "work smarter". By this slip of the concepts, he insinuated (willingly or inadvertently) that Hispanics are incapable of human-level thought processes, which we commonly call "smart".

Phui on that.

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Post by Age » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:07 am

Lacewing wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:47 am
Age...I think you're taking all of this a bit too extreme and out of context.

I said this to Nick "If you want to truly consider human nature interfering with spiritual nature, you have to stop the human noise." This was applicable based on things he has said about human nature interfering with spiritual nature. I wanted to point out the element of human noise to him (which he has a lot of).

I said this in response to you "It seems to make sense that it's hard to have clarity when one is filled with noise". It is a general statement... not some sort of absolute.
Yes I know all this.

You have more or less just repeated what I wrote.

I just asked you if that was the only way. Your reply implied that you were unsure that there could be any other way, which would have been the end of this. But then you asked me what I think. So, I responded.

If you think what I have said is "a bit to extreme and out of context", then maybe it best not to ask for what I think.
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:47 am
Here you wrote your interpretations of me...
Age wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:10 am
1. You have to stop human noise if you want to truly consider human nature interfering with spiritual nature. Whereas, I do not have to do any such thing.
Well, no... there are many degrees and variables (to everything) from my perspective.
To you, are there other ways of truly considering human nature interfering with spiritual nature other than just stopping human noise?
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:47 am
You are mistaken if you think you know some sort of absolute in regard to what I am referring to as "spiritual nature"... or some certain way it must be experienced.
I am not thinking at all, so that is completely inaccurate, and, there was absolutely no need to say this here.
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:47 am
I don't think that way.
Yes I know. That is what I am pointing out, when I asked you if that certain way, which you proposed, was the only way. I was just clarifying if, to you, that there could be other ways.

Then, because you asked what I think, to your reply, I just replied by saying there are other ways.
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:47 am
Age wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:10 am
2. To you it seems to make sense that it is hard to have clarity when one is filled with noise. Whereas, I KNOW just how truly simple and easy it really is to gain and have clarity, even with ALL of the human noise going on.
You remind me of dontaskme, in that she always wanted to have "the best/highest answer".
If that is what I remind you, then that is fine. I can not refute that. But I can tell you that by just expressing what I have or do is NOT having "the best/highest answer", at all. I was just pointing out that there are other ways from the one that you were proposing.

I am just expressing what is. There are NO "better or higher answers" to what one has or does. Unless of course you think that what you, or others, have or do is better and/or higher than what others have or do.

Lacewing wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:47 am
It CAN OFTEN be hard to have clarity when one is filled with noise. It is also possible to have clarity despite the noise. You seem intent on disputing some rigid interpretation of my words in order to classify me compared to you. There's really not that much disagreement here. :lol:
I am not sure why you are seeing I have some rigid "interpretation" of your words, when all I did at the start was just ask for clarification, of your words. Usually just by the process of asking for clarification, of one's words, shows inquisitiveness, and not a rigidness. You clarified that you seem to not know of any other way than the one that you proposed. So, if an 'rigidness' appeared, then was that because of your response to my clarifying question?
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:47 am
Age wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:10 am
That all depends on over what length of period are you talking about?
Really?
Yes
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:47 am
How about over the span of just a few moments?
Then one can very easily and very surely have complete spiritual clarity.
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:47 am
Or a lifetime. Does it matter?
Yes.
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:47 am
Below you acknowledge how much it varies...
Yes I know. The purpose for writing the below was to show how much variance there actually is.
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:47 am
Age wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:10 am
Some people, at times, have complete spiritual clarity while at other times they are completely filled with noise. Some people are filled with noise more than others are and some have more spiritual clarity than others have. Some other people may be able to reach complete spiritual clarity for very short periods but are most of the time filled with or partly filled with noise, while other people may never have had complete spiritual clarity but are far less filled with noise compared to the other person. There are just to many people with countless many variables and varying degrees of differences of complete clarity to complete noise in every thing else in between to actually discuss this to its full extend.

But there is, at the moment, no person that I can see who has always complete spiritual clarity nor completely filled with noise.
You said earlier "Whereas, I KNOW just how truly simple and easy it really is to gain and have clarity, even with ALL of the human noise going on."
Here you write your interpretation of me... (I just wrote this because when this happens you like to make it known).
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:47 am
So why don't you do it all of the time? (Or do you not include yourself in the bolded statement above?)
You would have to first know the difference between the word 'I' and the word 'you', from a completely objective perspective, to be able to understand the correct response to this question.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by Lacewing » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:02 pm

Age wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:10 am
To you, are there other ways of truly considering human nature interfering with spiritual nature other than just stopping human noise?
Certainly could be. The idea I have the most clarity and ease in expressing, however, has to do with eliminating human noise (which is a vast realm on many levels). Surely you see the validity in such a statement, considering how much noise you wade through for yourself... and your challenges in expressing clearly beyond that at times (as evidenced in this forum, like all of us, and as I think you've acknowledged when you get tired of arguing :twisted:).

Can you clearly and easily describe these methods/aspects that you see "of considering human nature interfering with spiritual nature" other than through "removing human noise"?

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Lacewing wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:02 pm
Age wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:10 am
To you, are there other ways of truly considering human nature interfering with spiritual nature other than just stopping human noise?
Certainly could be. The idea I have the most clarity and ease in expressing, however, has to do with eliminating human noise (which is a vast realm on many levels). Surely you see the validity in such a statement, considering how much noise you wade through for yourself... and your challenges in expressing clearly beyond that at times (as evidenced in this forum, like all of us, and as I think you've acknowledged when you get tired of arguing :twisted:).

Can you clearly and easily describe these methods/aspects that you see "of considering human nature interfering with spiritual nature" other than through "removing human noise"?
Trouble is, LW, that we are ourselves human noise :) If you strip away the human culture within then all that remains are basic animal tendencies, which broaden in scope when shaped by layers of complex conditioning.

People see this individualistic tip of the iceberg that is you as "Lacewing". However, the vast majority of the entity known as Lacewing consists of common qualities found in her culture, subculture, species, class, phylum etc (you can probably pan out to include the unknown specific qualities that are probably only found in denizens of the Milky Way, the local group of galaxies or Laniakea).

The "noise" is really an excess of options and, if you get too heady about it, you only notice the smorgasbord of options rather than what your gut tells you. Not that one's gut is perfect, hence science, and a good example of how trusting in one's instincts implicitly can cause issues can be seen in Dachshund's use of gut feelings that are clearly distorted by fear of the unknown, and these are presented in lieu of reasoned analysis.

Still, no one is obliged to take our gut feelings seriously so the least we can do is to consider them. Problems come when people see their gut feelings as The Truth.

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Post by Nick_A » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:42 am

Greta
You shot first, I returned fire. If someone started slamming men that way you attack women then your response would be fast and fierce. You know this is true. Must we play these games?
This is just silly. There are women I greatly admire and also those who are superficial fools causing more harm to themselves and others than any good they pretend to do
You fail to notice the obvious links between overpopulation and financial inequality and all that you complain about - breakdown of marriage, state controls, loss of prosperity, loss of community. Instead you blame it on women, feminism and your myth of secular societies.
You post results while being oblivious of the dynamics of the cause. You continue to blame results which is just being naive without a clue as to the cause of why everything is as it is.
Nick_A wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:26 am
The human condition and the universal laws which create its expression are the reason why without help from above everything turns in circles. Why blame women?

I've wondered why you do. It all reeks of personal issues - where's the attempts at objectivity?
The problem is that you are closed to the objective complimentary differences between men and women. Like other feminists you demand an imagined equality with no conception of the value of differences.

The female of our species bears children. She seeks a male whose quality of being matches hers. If she lacks being quality she will seek the same in a mate and lack any sense of objective selectivity but be attracted to the superficial. If she has quality she will seek a male who has a similar level of human quality. In this way the female has the obligation for sustaining the quality of our species. When they find each other their union or marriage will be of a greater quality beneficial to themselves and for evolutionary society as a whole.

A good example of what happens was described in the fairly recent movie “Beauty and the Beast.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty_an ... 2017_film)

All the women in the town are superficial and attracted to Gaston, the ultimate in superficiality. Belle is the only one who seeks more.

Circumstances made her encounter the Beast who is symbolic of fallen man having lost the potential for his being so became a beast.. Eventually her quality made her see what was behind the beastly appearance and said she loved him. That broke the curse and he could become himself and they could rise above together as complimentary aspects of human being.

The human male is capable of a conscious perspective but has lost quality emotion necessary to actualize it. The female is capable of quality emotion so men and women can provide what the other lacks. Men learn what is essential from women and women learn what is essential from men. Unfortunately female inner beauty and value is considered weakness by the fools so those capable of emotional quality are encouraged to become super c-nts for the sake of equality. Sheer lunacy

Why hate a good screw? It has its place. I also admire a real woman capable of offering what a real woman can. There is nothing to hate.

I admire men willing and able to become men and women willing and able to become women and their potential to become one. Of course it is a rare ideal but still can offer contemplation as to what the human species is capable of.

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Re: DIVERSITY IS AMERICA'S GREATEST STRENGTH

Post by Age » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:58 am

Lacewing wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:02 pm
Age wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:10 am
To you, are there other ways of truly considering human nature interfering with spiritual nature other than just stopping human noise?
Certainly could be.
Great.
Lacewing wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:02 pm
The idea I have the most clarity and ease in expressing, however, has to do with eliminating human noise (which is a vast realm on many levels).
Yes I am aware of your idea. I was just curious if you saw that idea as being the only way, as this is how it appeared to read from the way that you expressed your idea. You have now clarified that, to you, there could be other ways, so now my curiosity has diminished.
Lacewing wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:02 pm
Surely you see the validity in such a statement,
Yes I could see how your idea is just one way.
Lacewing wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:02 pm
considering how much noise you wade through for yourself...
What do you mean by "noise you wade through for yourself"?

Lacewing wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:02 pm
and your challenges in expressing clearly beyond that at times (as evidenced in this forum, like all of us, and as I think you've acknowledged when you get tired of arguing :twisted:).
I am not here, in this forum, to express clearly. I am here, in this forum, to LEARN HOW TO express better, more clearly, more concisely, and more succinctly, at some other place.

Also, I do not recall acknowledging that I get tired of arguing. Can you remember where that was? If so, then can you guide me to where I did that?
Lacewing wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:02 pm
Can you clearly and easily describe these methods/aspects that you see "of considering human nature interfering with spiritual nature" other than through "removing human noise"?
Yes.

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