Logik wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:11 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:03 am
What I am saying IS, you have to first prove, with evidence, that there is a 'human "mind/s" ' FIRST, before you can sprout on like you are.
No, we don't.
I was talking to veritas when I used the word 'you'. So, really, there was, and still is, no 'we'.
You didn't use any evidence to prove the universe exists.[/quote]
I did NOT think I was meant to, nor had to.
I was NOT trying to prove that the Universe exists, which can obviously be seen within my first two OPEN clarifying questions, of which I am still waiting answers.
You put up a challenge to veritas. I am just SEEING how open and honest you really are.
When you answer the questions, openly and honestly, then we can MOVE ON.
Logik wrote: ↑Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:11 pmYou relied strictly on logic.
If you say so.
You said to veritas:
I am willing donate $100 to The Salvation Army (or any charity of your choosing) if you could provide ANY empirical grounding/evidence for The Universe's existence!
Put your money where your mouth is and offer to do the same if you fail to fulfil the challenge.
I just asked you an OPEN clarifying qestion:
Is there any thing that you are 100% certain about that you KNOW, for sure, exists?
If not, then so be it.
If you do, then would you say that exists within the Universe's existence?
You then did NOT, at all, answer the question/s, but instead went on about some thing or other, which appeared to be based on some assumption that you were making at the time.
Now, I was NOT trying to prove that the Universe exists or not, because the Truth can already be SEEN, and is thus obviously already KNOWN also. But what I did instead was put some words together, and asked you some more OPEN clarifying questions, of which you, once again, FAILED to answer. These put together words were:
Your so called "challenge" WAS to provide ANY empirical grounding/evidence for The Universe's existence!
If some thing exists, then that is a part of ALL-THERE-IS, or, ALL-THERE-IS.
So,
If you can SEE a tea cup on "YOUR" desk, then does either or both exist?
If you can SEE a moon, then does it exist?
If you can SEE 10 planets in the "solar system", then does either or both exist?
If you can SEE 100 billion galaxies, then do they exist?
If you can SEE cosmic microwave background, then does that exist?
P1. ALL-THERE-IS is the Universe, Itself.
P2. If some thing exists, then
C. The Universe exists.
Now, we are back to my original two questions to you here;
Is there any thing that you are 100% certain about that you KNOW, for sure, exists?
If no, then so be it.
If yes, then would you say that exists within the Universe's existence?
A yes or no response would suffice for both questions. Thank you.
When, and IF, you answer ALL the questions openly and honestly, then you also may SEE the Truth as well.