Thanks. I need to mull this over and get back to you later.Logik wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:36 amI don't know if I can help you with a definition - Wittgenstein himself recognised that words are imprecise and my argument is all about precision!Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:05 am I'm newly puzzled by the incoherence of your argument. I don't know what you mean by the words 'truth', 'fact' and 'objectivity' and their cognates. I don't know if you think there can be any such things as truth, facts and objectivity - and from what perspective you reject them, if you do. I don't know if you accept or reject the rules of classical logic - identity, non-contradiction and excluded middle - and in either case, on what grounds. And I don't know if you think morality can be objective (factual).
I don't think my incomprehension of your position is a result of negligence - but perhaps it is. Or it could be the result of your having no idea what you're talking about. If there's a chance you could lay out your case as simply and concisely as possibly - perhaps as a series of statements, or even premises and a conclusion - I'd like to try again.
I can help you with an example to help you draw a distinction.
The truth-value of "Earth orbits the Sun" is dependent on perspective. If I shift my perspective a greater truth emerges - baryocentrism!
The truth value of "Logik is 1.87 meters tall" is independent of perspective. A greater truth about my height does not emerge no matter how much I shift my perspective.
If the truth-value of any claim is perspective-dependent it cannot be said that it is objective.
If objectivity is perspective-dependent - nobody cares about such a conception of morality.
Objective morality is about answering one question: Is murdering another human being wrong?
It's a question with a boolean answer. Yes or no. True or false.
Can I ask, though - I think there are contradictions in what you say - but do you think that matters? What I mean is, do you think there's a perspective-independent position from which the very idea of contradiction makes sense? Or do you think contradictions can occur only within the context of a specified perspective? For example, if Logik is X meters tall but Y feet tall, would you call that a contradiction?