bahman wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:48 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:09 am
bahman wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:25 pm
I think that human can contribute in reality but human is not only being with mind.
If you agree human can contribute in reality, then emergence do manifests thus contra your OP.
Reality is reality-as-it-is which is an emergence conditioned upon the human conditions [body, mind, consciousness, etc].
I do agree certain entities like those in higher animals do have some sort of brain/mind but the point is the reality-as-it-is to a bat is not the same as reality-as-it-is to humans. In both cases, there is emergence.
Note there is no reality-as-it-is that is the same [universal, absolute and independent] to all living entities. There is no reality_as_it_is-in-itself. There is no reality_as_it_is created by a God [illusory and impossible].
Thus reality-as-it-is is an emergence conditioned upon whatever the entity that reality emerges simultaneously with.
Then show me that how emergence is possible unless we are dealing with a magic. Where does magic exactly happen?
Here one one example you can verify the process of emergence yourself.
The Einstein Mask in 3D
Note how a 3D convex shape of Einstein slowly emerges
as the image turns and is set upon your eyes.
The truth is the 3D convex Einstein image is ACTUALLY a concave image but you mind insist it is a convex 3D shape.
This is emergence in process to present you a 'reality' of a convex shape.
If nobody told you the underlying shape is concave, you will never know and take it based on empirical evidence you are seeing a real convex 3D Einstein face.
This is proof of emergence with the brain/mind as a co-participant.
The above principle is applicable to every aspect of what you have accepted as reality-as-it-is which is an emergent.
Note what humans feel as solid objects are merely emergence and are 'deception' by the brain/mind to make humans see and feel certain objects as solid things. The fact is, if the electrons of the object stop spinning there will be no solid object to be felt.
Thus a near atomic size virus will not see emerging solid objects like humans do.
If you reflect deeper based on the above principles of emergence, you will realize the whole of reality-as-it-is is the same as the above examples above and as such reality-as-it-is is an emergence in tandem with the human conditions.
Therefore, emergence exists which contra your OP.