Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pm
I didn't backtrack from anything. I don't know anything for 100% certain.
So, are you 100% certain that I have beliefs, or are you not certain if I have beliefs or not?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pmAgain: aren't you a human being?
That would all depend on how the word 'you' is being defined here.
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pmSome humans believe "untrue" things, some don't. What will we learn?
That BELIEFS of things is not necessary. And that I do NOT need to believe, nor disbelieve, any thing.
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pmThat's not how the English word "belief" is used.
So, how is the english word 'belief' used?
And, is that usage, which you may or may not describe for us here, for and by ALL people or for and by just some people?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pm Some people hold on to beliefs subject to change, in case you didn't know.
Yes I am well aware of this. I am also well aware that this is a completely unnecessary behavior, and a very distorted way of thinking also.
Can you explain for us here what purpose it serves of BELIEVING some thing is true, and holding onto that BELIEF, until it changes?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pm If you are still having trouble, google something like: "change your beliefs"
Not needed. I NEVER was having trouble. I quite often observe and SEE you, people, HOLD ON TO BELIEFS, until the FALSEHOODS within those BELIEFS are FINALLY, if ever, recognized. There was NO trouble in KNOWING that you, human beings, have this very distorted way of thinking and LOOKING AT things.
So, there was NO need to search for this ridiculous behavior. I observe you, adult human beings, doing it nearly always.
The only real trouble here is that when I am pointing out and SHOWING the falsehoods AND Truths to you, you, human beings, are completely BLINDED by those BELIEFS, which you so dearly love to HOLD ON TO and do NOT want to LET GO of, and, when I am TELLING the falsehood and Truths to you, human beings, these WORDS fall on DEAF EARS, this is also because of those tightly HELD ON TO BELIEFS.
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pmAsk questions that make enough sense and I'll answer properly.
Some might interpret this as saying something similar to: ask me questions that when, and if, i answered properly, that is; openly and honestly, will NOT show my contradictions and/or distorted thinking.
Although some might not interpret that that way. Some may interpret your response as saying something similar to: i am unable to answer these questions because i do NOT know.
Some may even interpret your response as saying something similar to another question like; But how can clarifying questions NOT make enough sense? A question posed for clarification is just that, that is; an attempt of clarification of what the writer/speaker is actually meaning and/or saying.
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pmSee above: that's not how the English word "belief" is used.
But you NEVER said HOW the english word 'belief' is used, ABOVE. You just said, "
That's not how the English word "belief" is used."
You have NEVER given any indication at all above about HOW the english word 'belief' is, supposed to be, used.
You really do NEED to be much more forth giving and specific if, as it appears, really hate answering clarifying questions asked to you.
Until you provide what YOUR description is of how the english word 'belief' is supposedly used, then I have no idea what you are referring to here.
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pmYou already provided a dozen of comments in the past about being open and then getting some universal knowledge or whatever.
This is the first time in this response that you write about;
"or whatever.
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pmOkay that may not be an unchangeable belief, but in the English language it does count as a belief.
WHAT counts as a 'belief', IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pmIf it is "crap", then it would, by definition, NOT be worthy of looking at nor talking about, am I right?
I did look into it a lot,
You did look into WHAT, a lot?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pmmany people claim to have acces to something like it:
This is the second time in this response that you write about;
"something like it".
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pmlooks like it's made up, a delusion.
WHAT is "it', that you say looks like it is made up, a delusion?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pmAnd so far you haven't produced a shred of evidence to the contrary either. But we already discussed this.
IS this some sort of guessing game you want to play?
1. WHAT counts as a belief?
2. WHAT did you look into a lot?
3. WHAT is 'it' that looks like it is made up?
4. WHAT is the 'contrary' that i have not produced a shred of evidence for?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pmYes. Even if there are, I don't think there are more than 2-3, and they are probably here for entertainment. The view counts on such topics are also pretty low.
So, there IS actually an audience, correct?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pmThat you are the voice of the absolute / the voice of God / something like that.
This is the third time that you write about;
"something like that"
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pm(Now I don't know this, but aren't you the one with the prior nickname "ken",
And, "others".
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pm the one that talked as God?
Did i?
If the answer is yes, then would care to point the readers to WHERE that was EXACTLY?
We would be very interested to go back and read what was written, back in those times.
I do NOT recall ken ever talking as God.
Only God could talk as God, correct?
But WHEN you point us back to A particular writing, then we can talk a look at it, and discuss.
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pmSomeone called you on that name and the two write pretty identically, or maybe you two are just similar people.)
Very true.
By the way the start of this, what you wrote in brackets, IS perfect. Starting off by saying, "I don't know this, but ..." relays a sense of OPENNESS. Whereas, just about every thing else that you have written and accusing me of was coming across as though you KNOW with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY.
This is very confronting, and what makes it more confronting was you were coming across with that ABSOLUTE KNOWING CERTAINTY in regards to what thoughts and thinking IS going on this body, from where these words are coming from. Only now, after talking with logik a page back have you CHANGED your belief/view and now have starting saying that you do NOT know with absolute certainty.
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pmDid you tell them that you have access to God's thoughts or something?
This is the fourth time you write about;
"or something".
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pmI told you about 10-15 times so far that I don't believe anything with absolute certainty.
Are you sure that it is in between the 10-15 times time-range, that you told me?
Also, does that mean that EVERYTHING that you BELIEVE, you are NOT even absolutely certain about them?
If yes, then WHY would you, a human being, BELIEVE some thing when the actual truthfulness of it is NOT even KNOWN by you?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pm I have changeable, non-absolute beliefs.
To test if you really do have changeable, non-absolute beliefs or not, then you WILL just answer some open clarifying questions here;
Do I have to have BELIEFS?
Do I have to BELIEVE some things?
Can I have access to KNOWLEDGE that you could NOT even dream of yet?
Atla wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:27 pm "Belief" is an English word you've been using wrong.
I will NEVER know if I have been using the english word 'belief' wrong, that is until you describe or define the CORRECT usage of that word.
By the way, when, and if you ever do do this, will you be absolute certain that that IS the one and only CORRECT usage of that word, or will you only EVER be somewhat certain, which means that you could actually be WRONG, and/or partly WRONG?
If it is the former, then so be it.
But, if it is the latter, then WHY have you been going on the way that you have been here?
Now, for these four things that you write about regarding:
"something and whatever" WHAT EXACTLY are you talking about?
You like to use these terms in relation to some thing that I have supposedly talked about or discussed. If that was TRULY the case, then you could just point us all in the right direction WHERE I have said or talked about these things.
But maybe the actual TRUTH here is, you are just making up some ASSUMPTION/S, and you do NOT even KNOW how to express YOUR VERY OWN ASSUMPTIONS correctly? We will have to wait and SEE?
Either I have clearly expressed some thing regarding "something and/or whatever", of which you will point us to SEEING. Or, what will be SEEN is that you are just ASSUMING things and you are NOT able to clearly express those ASSUMPTIONS.