TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:50 pm
philosopher wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:47 pm
There are billions of individual particles interacting. This creates complexity. It's as simple as that.
Yes! And that is not simple. That IS complex!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blum_axioms
philosopher wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:47 pm
The reason you have to make use of ie. wave functions etc. to handle this problem, is due to ignorance - you HAVE to ignore the individual particles, and just handle the crowd as a whole to make sense of things.
No. It is not! It is due to resource constraints.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complexit ... rce_bounds
We do not have enough TIME or SPACE (SPACETIME!!!!!) to do the calculations.
That's not ignorance - that's "just the laws of physics".
Ignorance is you mistaking the complex for the simple.
Educate yourself about TIME and SPACE complexity here:
https://www.hackerearth.com/practice/ba ... /tutorial/
If this is what you call "ignorance" then it's trivial to solve! Just give humans more TIME (faster CPU!) and more SPACE (more memory!)
What I call ignorance is the need to ignore the individual particles, due to lack of space and time - or as you put it, CPU and memory.
Lets say you computer cannot run the newest video game, due to lack of CPU/Memory, and you don't have the money to buy a faster computer.
Then you HAVE to ignore the newest video game. But that doesn't mean it does not exist.
The same with individual particles and complexity. We use wave functions etc. to describe what is complex, but this is due to our needy ignorance of the individual particles flying and bumping around, simply because we cannot calculate all of them. So we use wave functions to describe the behavior.
People then take it for granted, that wave functions describe reality. It doesn't. Wave functions are inventions, human inventions to have a convenient way of seeing patterns where there are none, in order to understand what you call complexity. But the universe does not care about waves or complexity. It cares about nothing. It just happens to be filled with tiny particles bumping into each other. And that's all there is.
Using wave functions to describe complexity is convenient.
But that does not give you the correct picture of reality. Quite the contrary, you get the wrong image. That is what I call ignorance, it is not ignorance as in "I don't WANT to understand", but the ignorance as in: "I HAVE to ignore reality, in order to understand just a tiny fraction of it".