TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:33 am
Then allow me to rephrase.
Of course.
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:33 am
Contradiction stems from lack of precision.
Contradictions occur by upholding contradictory statements, whether these statements are precise or not.
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:33 am
So my thoughts are language now?

And yet you keep drawing a distinction between 'thoughts' and 'language' throughout our interaction. Why?
I have been saying all along several times that thoughts are propositions! I also quoted Kant and Wittgenstein on that! You are not paying attention.
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:33 am
You are getting closer and closer to either moving the goal posts or admitting that there were none.
The goal post is not being moved, it is still there, but you ran away from it! Did you forget that already? We can go there again if you want, there is no problem on my side!
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TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:33 am
Averroes wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:21 am
If you feel a taste in your mouth, then you already have a thought and hence you already have a proposition! Now, that you cannot express that thought in the English language is another matter which is due to your limited knowledge of the English language, which is nothing peculiar/specific to you but can happen to every English speaker.
I don't have a proposition!
You do! In fact, you now not only have just one proposition but three! This is what you wrote:
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:33 am
I have an unidentified taste in my mouth! It is different from the unidentified taste in my mouth I had yesterday. So I have two unidentified tastes in my mouth.
So, your propositions are:
1. I have an unidentified taste in my mouth!
2. It is different from the unidentified taste in my mouth I had yesterday.
3. So I have two unidentified tastes in my mouth.
These are three meaningful English language propositions that every English speaker can understand!
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TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:33 am
You have pre-supposed that a word for the tastes in my mouth already exists.
I do not need to presuppose, because it is a fact that an expression already exists as you already used it! With the
English expression “an unidentified taste in my mouth” and the
English expression “the unidentified taste in my mouth I had yesterday” you already referred to those tastes in your mouth with
English expressions!!
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:33 am
Which is as per my original criticism - you take language, and in particular English, for granted and you assume it to be complete in terms of expressiveness.
Indeed there is no thought that cannot be expressed in language. Which thought cannot be expressed in language?! I remember that you had set out to prove in intuitionistic logic that there can be thoughts which cannot be expressed in language. I remember you said the following:
TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:50 pm
You have set yourself up for disappointment. You have contrived an impossible challenge. A game that cannot be won given the rules you seem to be playing by. You are asking me to prove a negative while at the same time it appears you are holding me accountable to the laws of Aristotelian/Classical logic.
The only way I know how to prove a negative is to abandon Aristotelian logic and embrace constructive/intuitionistic logic. Which necessarily means abandoning the laws of excluded middle AND the laws of non-contradiction!
It is only in that framework where proof-by-contradiction becomes a viable strategy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_contradiction
So, lets embrace constructive logic and ASSUME that all thought can be expressed in language and see what absurdities/paradoxes this leads to.
Of course, now the game is rigged in my favour because I KNOW you have no empirical/ontological/scientific grounding for what a 'thought' is and isn't
So what happened to that great project of yours, which was rigged in your favor?! Do you want to give it another try? I can wait some more, I am not in a hurry!
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TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:33 am
If all propositions are already in the English language, then how can any idea be 'original'?
All propositions are expressible in language. Original thoughts have been and are being expressed in the English language. Now, you ask: How can there be any original thought in the English language? We already addressed that many times already on this thread! So again, if the English language cannot be used to express original thoughts nowadays, then why is the UK authorities, for example,
cracking down on plagiarism??
I have raised this issue a couple of times already, but you have consistently evaded providing an answer! Will you give it a try this time? I doubt it!
So that’s it. I will now be waiting for your demonstration of the possibility of thoughts that cannot be expressed in language! That is the goal post that you have been evading, after being so close to attaining in intuitionistic logic!!
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