Common Courtesy

[henry quirk]

We'll see, or 'I' will.

You'll be dead.

[Greta]

I reject the criticism. "Truly" was shorthand for "living indefinitely". The astronaut who lived on ISS for just one year is a physical mess so this problem's solution is a long way off.

Relatively - which one do you think is "longer way off" solving the problems of well-being in space or digitising humans? Given our limited resources - we need to prioritize somehow. If you want to make an omelette you have to break some eggs. I am thankful and infinitely grateful to the astronaut for putting his ass on the line so we can learn from his suffering.

Since taking billions, or even millions, of people out into in space to safely and satisfactorily live is utterly impossible so I choose the (speculative and wildly uncertain) possibility of digitisation, because at least it has some tiny chance of happening.

Also the logistics of bringing large numbers of people is impossible, especially since their journey would be subsidised by those left on Earth, so there is also a serious political impediment to sending any but VIPs offworld, if they decide that living like a submariner on some godforsaken barren desert world is desirable.

Transmission of large number of digitized humans is also going to be costly. Bandwidth too is a finite resource. Unless it violates the laws of physics - nothing is impossible. Only expensive. Until we make it cheaper with technology.

It's cheap if they are put on hard drives. The expense comes with pre-production.

I am unsure whether digitisation is possible too. Really, if I was a betting women my money would be on AI continuing the story elsewhere for us.

And if we do succeed in digitising ourselves. We can continue our story - right here. In quantum computers. Experiencing time at a much faster rate than we do now.

However, as you noted, for risk management purposes the aim is to become multi-planetary.

Then there's the gravity issue. Radiation. Temperatures. Dust storms. Meteors in the absence of a substantial atmosphere. Sanity. God knows what else. Then there's logistical, financial and political problem of sending the thousands of people needed to avoid inbreeding and allow of healthy genetic diversity in a space community.

And those are all problems we will have to tackle. Either way we need a gradual progression towards success.

Frankly - as proof-of-concept I would like to see human survival-at-scale in less demanding terrains first. Everest. Underwater. The desert. There be social factors we haven't considered... And those are the hardest to solve!

It's already being done. My understanding is that the first attempt needed to be abandoned due to conflicts.

[Dalek Prime]

I just don't get why you two want to put any form of awareness out in space. Even if possible, you two fail to see yourselves deciding for someone else what to do with them, and put them through. Petty gods you are. It's revolting. And for no reason save your own edification. I can imagine the whole of life over the ages, with everyone arguing over how we came to be, and for what reason, only to find that it was some upscale Greta God deciding to begin a new iteration of the universe, on a whim.

If you cant see the horror in that, it's pointless trying to tell you. Horror doesn't exist without awareness. Why cant people be satisfied with their own awareness, if they love it so much, without deciding for others that it's great for them as well. If something doesn't have consciousness, don't assume it needs it, or needs to be created. The created has to deal with the fallout.

Damn it. Humanities incessant, mindless desire to perpetuate itself drives me absolutely insane.

[TimeSeeker]

I just don't get why you two want to put any form of awareness out in space. Even if possible, you two fail to see yourselves deciding for someone else what to do with them, and put them through. Petty gods you are. It's revolting. And for no reason save your own edification. I can imagine the whole of life over the ages, with everyone arguing over how we came to be, and for what reason, only to find that it was some upscale Greta God deciding to begin a new iteration of the universe, on a whim.

If you cant see the horror in that, it's pointless trying to tell you. Horror doesn't exist without awareness. Why cant people be satisfied with their own awareness, if they love it so much, without deciding for others that it's great for them as well. If something doesn't have consciousness, don't assume it needs it, or needs to be created. The created has to deal with the fallout.

Damn it. Humanities incessant, mindless desire to perpetuate itself drives me absolutely insane.

You have some issues. If you are upset with your parents who brought you into this world without your consent - consider removing yourself. Suicide is the exit door.
If you don't wish to procreate - don't.
If you do not wish to leave Earth - don't.

No choice has been taken away from you. Do not remove the option of choice from others.

I want to go to space. Whether you get why or not is irrelevant.

[henry quirk]

Yep, me too.

We can, we should, we will.

Any one who wants to stay behind: stay behind.

Any one who wants up and out: be patient, stay alive.

[Dalek Prime]

I just don't get why you two want to put any form of awareness out in space. Even if possible, you two fail to see yourselves deciding for someone else what to do with them, and put them through. Petty gods you are. It's revolting. And for no reason save your own edification. I can imagine the whole of life over the ages, with everyone arguing over how we came to be, and for what reason, only to find that it was some upscale Greta God deciding to begin a new iteration of the universe, on a whim.

If you cant see the horror in that, it's pointless trying to tell you. Horror doesn't exist without awareness. Why cant people be satisfied with their own awareness, if they love it so much, without deciding for others that it's great for them as well. If something doesn't have consciousness, don't assume it needs it, or needs to be created. The created has to deal with the fallout.

Damn it. Humanities incessant, mindless desire to perpetuate itself drives me absolutely insane.

You have some issues. If you are upset with your parents who brought you into this world without your consent - consider removing yourself. Suicide is the exit door.
If you don't wish to procreate - don't.
If you do not wish to leave Earth - don't.

No choice has been taken away from you. Do not remove the option of choice from others.

I want to go to space. Whether you get why or not is irrelevant.

You are a twat. Piss off. You will die on earth.

[TimeSeeker]

You are a twat. Piss off. You will die on earth.

It is highly probable, but space tourism is just around the corner.

I'd piss on your grave from outer space, but gravity doesn't work like that.

[henry quirk]

...why be a dick?

[Dalek Prime]

...why be a dick?

What's a twat without a dick, henry?

[henry quirk]

[Dalek Prime]

Oh, c'mon henry. Smile. That was funny.

[henry quirk]

Yeah, it was.

[Dalek Prime]

Yeah, it was.

That's the henry I know and love.

[Greta]

I just don't get why you two want to put any form of awareness out in space. Even if possible, you two fail to see yourselves deciding for someone else what to do with them, and put them through. Petty gods you are. It's revolting. And for no reason save your own edification. I can imagine the whole of life over the ages, with everyone arguing over how we came to be, and for what reason, only to find that it was some upscale Greta God deciding to begin a new iteration of the universe, on a whim.

If you cant see the horror in that, it's pointless trying to tell you. Horror doesn't exist without awareness. Why cant people be satisfied with their own awareness, if they love it so much, without deciding for others that it's great for them as well. If something doesn't have consciousness, don't assume it needs it, or needs to be created. The created has to deal with the fallout.

Damn it. Humanities incessant, mindless desire to perpetuate itself drives me absolutely insane.

For once I agree with Henry, D, you are a bit of a twat ;) An upscale Greta God would at least be better than the clapped out old jalopy writing this.

I'd rather be a petty goddess, raining down my accursed consciousness opon the unsuspecting inanimate. Fuck 'em. If we have to deal, then so should they rather than sitting around perfectly calmly - smug fuckin' rocks, thinking they are so great just because they're relatively stable. Wake up, dickhead rocks, time to get busy!

I recently wrote a short story about this - 'Let There Be Rocks' about the battle between geology and biology. You'd like some of parts where geology bitches about biology. Rocks get the last laugh but I won't spoil the ending :)

[Dalek Prime]

I just don't get why you two want to put any form of awareness out in space. Even if possible, you two fail to see yourselves deciding for someone else what to do with them, and put them through. Petty gods you are. It's revolting. And for no reason save your own edification. I can imagine the whole of life over the ages, with everyone arguing over how we came to be, and for what reason, only to find that it was some upscale Greta God deciding to begin a new iteration of the universe, on a whim.

If you cant see the horror in that, it's pointless trying to tell you. Horror doesn't exist without awareness. Why cant people be satisfied with their own awareness, if they love it so much, without deciding for others that it's great for them as well. If something doesn't have consciousness, don't assume it needs it, or needs to be created. The created has to deal with the fallout.

Damn it. Humanities incessant, mindless desire to perpetuate itself drives me absolutely insane.

For once I agree with Henry, D, you are a bit of a twat An upscale Greta God would at least be better than the clapped out old jalopy writing this.

I'd rather be a petty goddess, raining down my accursed consciousness opon the unsuspecting inanimate. Fuck 'em. If we have to deal, then so should they rather than sitting around perfectly calmly - smug fuckin' rocks, thinking they are so great just because they're relatively stable. Wake up, dickhead rocks, time to get busy!

I recently wrote a short story about this - 'Let There Be Rocks' about the battle between geology and biology. You'd like some of parts where geology bitches about biology. Rocks get the last laugh but I won't spoil the ending

Ahem... I'm the dick. TimeSeeker is the twat. And I was just having a 'poke' at him. Gold star for the rest of the post though. Sounds like an enjoyable story