1. I don't know what consciousness is. The very thread's name is 'Could we make a "litmus test" for true consciousness?'. We don't have one and without such a test I don't know how to assert whether I am conscious or not.
2. You claim to be a consciousness. Clearly you had some inclusionary/positive and exclusionary/negative criteria (a test!) by which you asserted that you are a consciousness. Colloquially - it seems you know what consciousness is.
3. Because I don't know what consciousness is I can't determine if I am one; and I certainly can't determine if I am a consciousness LIKE YOU. One problem at a time, lets determine if I am conscious first, then we can compare your consciousness to my consciousness.Are you a consciouness? As I am.
And so I am trying to copy the knowledge/test for consciousness (since you claim to have it) from your mind and into mine.
Your first claim was:
I do not need to create a language to speak it. I can simply adopt yours e.g learn (like babies do) so I gave you gorillas/chimpanzees learning to speak sign language as evidence. I could have also used Artificial intelligence/chatbot as an example. Machine learning.Arising_uk wrote: Maybe, my claim is that if one is thinking and speaking in this language then one can safely assert that there is at least one other consciousness than oneself as I don't think such a language could be created by a singular consciousness.
But you tightened up the criteria from "learning/speaking" to "inventing" language:
I can't find the original paper now, so a news article will have to do of the Facebook AI inventing its own language: https://www.newsweek.com/2017/08/18/ai- ... 46944.htmlArising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:11 amHow does that alter my claim as there are two consciousnesses and my claim is that if one is speaking and thinking in a language then one can know that there is another consciousness other than one's self as one consciousness cannot invent a language as why would it need to?
Why would it do that? Optimisation/efficiency. Language is a tool for communication. The language we (humans) gave it wasn't optimal enough for its goals and so it invented a better one.
I still don't know what your criteria for consciousness are, but I can say this with reasonable degree of certainty:
* Humans can create AND learn languages
* Artificial intelligences can create AND learn languages
* Therefore chatbots/AI can communicate with humans
Does this mean that artificial intelligence is conscious?
Does this mean that humans are conscious?
Does this mean artificial intelligence is conscious like humans are conscious?
And we are back at the OP: Could we make a litmus test for consciousness?
You still haven't produced your test for your own consciousness.