Failure of "I".

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Re: Failure of "I".

Post by Dalek Prime » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:11 am

ob·jec·tive
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adjective
1.
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
"historians try to be objective and impartial"
synonyms: impartial, unbiased, unprejudiced, nonpartisan, disinterested, neutral, uninvolved, even-handed, equitable, fair, fair-minded, just, open-minded, dispassionate, detached, neutral

The I is, by definition, not objective.

Anyway, I'm outta here. All anyone wants to do here is bicker, not listen, and rewrite definitions. Well, fuck that.

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Re: Failure of "I".

Post by Dontaskme » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:52 am

Dalek Prime wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:11 am
ob·jec·tive
əbˈjektiv/Submit
adjective
1.
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
"historians try to be objective and impartial"
synonyms: impartial, unbiased, unprejudiced, nonpartisan, disinterested, neutral, uninvolved, even-handed, equitable, fair, fair-minded, just, open-minded, dispassionate, detached, neutral

The I is, by definition, not objective.

Anyway, I'm outta here. All anyone wants to do here is bicker, not listen, and rewrite definitions. Well, fuck that.
Then stop rewriting history aka knowledge then, simple isn't it?



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No one knows owns knowledge. You are knowledge.

You do not and cannot exist except in relation to knowledge...the knowing of yourself.

You do not have to keep showing up to your own show.

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There is nothing outside of langauge...aka knowledge.

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Re: Failure of water to drown a bag of kittens

Post by Dalek Prime » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:03 pm

*glub, glub*

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Re: Failure of "I".

Post by Dontaskme » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:05 pm

Dalek Prime wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:11 am


The I is, by definition, not objective.

I does not define, but defining is I

The I cannot be objective, because an object is the I that does not define defining ..as knowledge known, and that which is known cannot know anything.

There is no I in an I to know. The I is the knowing...it knows because it doesn't know.

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Re: Failure of "I".

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:24 pm

Dalek Prime wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:45 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:40 pm
Dalek Prime wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:39 pm


I is subjective. It is from the I.
Now it is dually objective.
No. The I's are just crossed, now.

I don't see how you suppose your views to be objective, when I know mine are not, try as i might. Any realist knows that they're views are subject to interpretation, and not objective reality.
Two subjective observations of "I" as "I" observe "I" as objective in the respect "I" is agreed upon as "I". Objectivity is the canceling out of the subjective through the subjective negating itself under group agreement as a form of symmetry between subjective experiences.

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Re: Failure of "I".

Post by Dalek Prime » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:04 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:24 pm
Dalek Prime wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:45 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:40 pm


Now it is dually objective.
No. The I's are just crossed, now.

I don't see how you suppose your views to be objective, when I know mine are not, try as i might. Any realist knows that they're views are subject to interpretation, and not objective reality.
Two subjective observations of "I" as "I" observe "I" as objective in the respect "I" is agreed upon as "I". Objectivity is the canceling out of the subjective through the subjective negating itself under group agreement as a form of symmetry between subjective experiences.
That's not what you started with. Quit adding dimensions to it.

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Re: Failure of "I".

Post by Ramu » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:52 pm

Dalek Prime wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:53 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:43 pm
"I exist" is an objective statement that exists seperate from the subjective experience of "I".

Discuss.
Both statements are subjective, or rather, both the experience and the statement are subjective. External confirmation comes from others.
And others confirmation is also subjective.

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Re: Failure of "I".

Post by Dontaskme » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:16 pm

Ramu wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:52 pm
Dalek Prime wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:53 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:43 pm
"I exist" is an objective statement that exists seperate from the subjective experience of "I".

Discuss.
Both statements are subjective, or rather, both the experience and the statement are subjective. External confirmation comes from others.
And others confirmation is also subjective.
Image

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Re: Failure of "I".

Post by Dalek Prime » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:26 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:16 pm
Ramu wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:52 pm
Dalek Prime wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:53 pm


Both statements are subjective, or rather, both the experience and the statement are subjective. External confirmation comes from others.
And others confirmation is also subjective.
Image

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It's still external confirmation.

(Just focus on the sound of one hand clapping, DAM.)

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Re: Failure of "I".

Post by Dontaskme » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:31 pm

Dalek Prime wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:26 pm

It's still external confirmation.

(Just focus on the sound of one hand clapping, DAM.)
All confirmation comes from within...I really don't think you know your in from your out do you. The only way out of that dilemma is back in.

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Re: Failure of "I".

Post by Dalek Prime » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:33 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:31 pm
Dalek Prime wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:26 pm

It's still external confirmation.

(Just focus on the sound of one hand clapping, DAM.)
All confirmation comes from within...I really don't think you know your in from your out do you. The only way out of that dilemma is back in.
Back in to nothingness, yes. I do actually. And yes, I know that's not what you meant. But fuck it.

Later.

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Re: Failure of "I".

Post by Dontaskme » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:42 pm

Dalek Prime wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:33 pm

Back in to nothingness, yes.
There is no such place as nothingness.

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Re: Failure of "I".

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:12 pm

Dalek Prime wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:04 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:24 pm
Dalek Prime wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:45 pm


No. The I's are just crossed, now.

I don't see how you suppose your views to be objective, when I know mine are not, try as i might. Any realist knows that they're views are subject to interpretation, and not objective reality.
Two subjective observations of "I" as "I" observe "I" as objective in the respect "I" is agreed upon as "I". Objectivity is the canceling out of the subjective through the subjective negating itself under group agreement as a form of symmetry between subjective experiences.
That's not what you started with. Quit adding dimensions to it.
But if "I" is its own dimension, and it relates to itself, it inevitably multiplies its own dimensionality.

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Re: Failure of "I".

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:12 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:42 pm
Dalek Prime wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:33 pm

Back in to nothingness, yes.
There is no such place as nothingness.

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There is no nothingness.

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Re: Failure of "I".

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:15 pm

Dalek Prime wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:11 am
ob·jec·tive
əbˈjektiv/Submit
adjective
1.
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
"historians try to be objective and impartial"
synonyms: impartial, unbiased, unprejudiced, nonpartisan, disinterested, neutral, uninvolved, even-handed, equitable, fair, fair-minded, just, open-minded, dispassionate, detached, neutral

The I is, by definition, not objective.

Anyway, I'm outta here. All anyone wants to do here is bicker, not listen, and rewrite definitions. Well, fuck that.
"Not influence by personal feelings or opinions" however the group agreement of a statement determines it as objective fact as evidenced by the formation of the definition in the dictionary itself.

In a seperate respect, the "I" being observed without personal feeling or attachment in itself becomes objective.

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