Is science only for the scientists?
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Is science only for the scientists?
It seems you need a certain personality to be a scientist.
If you look around, you're unlikely to run into those who are scientists (but it seems that scientists run in the family, including mathematicians).
What about doctors? Are they scientists? Can we all be Einsteins?
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If you look around, you're unlikely to run into those who are scientists (but it seems that scientists run in the family, including mathematicians).
What about doctors? Are they scientists? Can we all be Einsteins?
PhilX
Re: Is science only for the scientists?
You need to realise that you are smart, before you can expliot it and reach your potential.
The average IQ of all of humanity = 100. Smart people have a 120 IQ atleast. So not all who might want to, can become scientists.
My best guess is that 1% of all people have the potential, but only a few of them know it, have the interest, and go for it.
The average IQ of all of humanity = 100. Smart people have a 120 IQ atleast. So not all who might want to, can become scientists.
My best guess is that 1% of all people have the potential, but only a few of them know it, have the interest, and go for it.
Re: Is science only for the scientists?
Average Phd is 120 IQ range.QuantumT wrote: βTue Jun 05, 2018 4:58 pm You need to realise that you are smart, before you can expliot it and reach your potential.
The average IQ of all of humanity = 100. Smart people have a 120 IQ atleast. So not all who might want to, can become scientists.
My best guess is that 1% of all people have the potential, but only a few of them know it, have the interest, and go for it.
Re: Is science only for the scientists?
Through hard work and study you can change your IQ by 20-30 points...so yes but it takes sacrifice and focus.Philosophy Explorer wrote: βTue Jun 05, 2018 3:23 pm It seems you need a certain personality to be a scientist.
If you look around, you're unlikely to run into those who are scientists (but it seems that scientists run in the family, including mathematicians).
What about doctors? Are they scientists? Can we all be Einsteins?
PhilX
Re: Is science only for the scientists?
I took an iq test from BMI. I scored a 120 , above 130 is gifted, 144 on up is highly gifted. I never had the opportunity to get a PhD. I have a rebellious attitude toward intellectuals, i find that people with exceptional memories though maybe not so intelligent can make quite a good living. Its more about passion and persistence, then iq imo.
The highest iq wont serve you too well if you are lazy.
The highest iq wont serve you too well if you are lazy.
Re: Is science only for the scientists?
Yes: you need interest in the physical world, curiosity, attention to detail and an analytical approach.Philosophy Explorer wrote: βTue Jun 05, 2018 3:23 pm It seems you need a certain personality to be a scientist.
Why? They go to ball-games (look for the ones with their shirts on and no face paint) and restaurants (talking earnestly to a. a bored fix-up date, b. an equally earnest colleague or c. an indulgent spouse) take their kids to the zoo (that's the dad explaining why the monkey is doing that, while his 13-yeqr-old daughter prays for the pavement to open up and swallow her) and shop for food in grocery stores (see that woman trying to read the teeny print on the back of a package in dim supermarket lighting?)If you look around, you're unlikely to run into those who are scientists
Mathematical/musical ability may be genetically linked, but there are many quite diverse sciences that require different skill-sets, which can come from any ancestral background. However, the attitude toward reason, critical thinking, observation and logical deduction is both taught at an early age and encouraged throughout childhood in some families, while it's absent, neglected, mocked or actively opposed in other families. Environment and opportunity are major factors.but it seems that scientists run in the family, including mathematicians
Some are. Those doctors gravitate toward medical research and/or innovation. All doctors must absorb a great deal of scientific information during their studies, so they need a degree of scientific ability, but that doesn't automatically turn one into a scientist. To be a good doctor, one needs attributes not required in a scientist: less objectivity, more empathy. It's enough to be a skilled healer.What about doctors? Are they scientists?
None of us can be Einsteins. Nobody, ever, can be Einstein again.Can we all be Einsteins?
But then, nobody else can ever be PhilX either.
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Re: Is science only for the scientists?
Have you ever met any? I know loads of scientists and they are pretty much just average folks.Philosophy Explorer wrote: βTue Jun 05, 2018 3:23 pm It seems you need a certain personality to be a scientist.
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Re: Is science only for the scientists?
Have I ever met any??? Frequently in college and I personally helped one out.FlashDangerpants wrote: βTue Jul 10, 2018 1:47 amHave you ever met any? I know loads of scientists and they are pretty much just average folks.Philosophy Explorer wrote: βTue Jun 05, 2018 3:23 pm It seems you need a certain personality to be a scientist.
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Re: Is science only for the scientists?
You personally helped a scientist out you say? I assume this is when you sold him a TV and helped carry it to the car?Philosophy Explorer wrote: βTue Jul 10, 2018 9:34 pmHave I ever met any??? Frequently in college and I personally helped one out.FlashDangerpants wrote: βTue Jul 10, 2018 1:47 amHave you ever met any? I know loads of scientists and they are pretty much just average folks.Philosophy Explorer wrote: βTue Jun 05, 2018 3:23 pm It seems you need a certain personality to be a scientist.
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A comedian you'll never be.FlashDangerpants wrote: βWed Jul 11, 2018 6:17 amYou personally helped a scientist out you say? I assume this is when you sold him a TV and helped carry it to the car?Philosophy Explorer wrote: βTue Jul 10, 2018 9:34 pmHave I ever met any??? Frequently in college and I personally helped one out.FlashDangerpants wrote: βTue Jul 10, 2018 1:47 am
Have you ever met any? I know loads of scientists and they are pretty much just average folks.
PhilX
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Re: Is science only for the scientists?
True, it is all hard work at the end of the day.osgart wrote: βFri Jul 06, 2018 2:32 am I took an iq test from BMI. I scored a 120 , above 130 is gifted, 144 on up is highly gifted. I never had the opportunity to get a PhD. I have a rebellious attitude toward intellectuals, i find that people with exceptional memories though maybe not so intelligent can make quite a good living. Its more about passion and persistence, then iq imo.
The highest iq wont serve you too well if you are lazy.
Re: Is science only for the scientists?
I worked with a Harvard professor before....they are not all cracked up to be what everyone thinks they are.FlashDangerpants wrote: βWed Jul 11, 2018 6:17 amYou personally helped a scientist out you say? I assume this is when you sold him a TV and helped carry it to the car?Philosophy Explorer wrote: βTue Jul 10, 2018 9:34 pmHave I ever met any??? Frequently in college and I personally helped one out.FlashDangerpants wrote: βTue Jul 10, 2018 1:47 am
Have you ever met any? I know loads of scientists and they are pretty much just average folks.
PhilX
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Re: Is science only for the scientists?
Aside from FDP's very poor attempt at humor, it's true that I did help out a chemistry college professor with his project. He was at an intermediate stage where he tried to synthesize a compound (and failed twice). I suggested trying a different reaction to make the compound. He directed me to the library to find a different reaction out of a book. Found a reaction and we tried it. It (apparently) worked, (he rejected my suggestion to test the product to make sure we had the desired compound).
The summer ended and I resumed my classes during the fall semester.
PhilX
The summer ended and I resumed my classes during the fall semester.
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Re: Is science only for the scientists?
That's sort of a sad story when you think about it...Philosophy Explorer wrote: βWed Jul 11, 2018 6:25 pm Aside from FDP's very poor attempt at humor, it's true that I did help out a chemistry college professor with his project. He was at an intermediate stage where he tried to synthesize a compound (and failed twice). I suggested trying a different reaction to make the compound. He directed me to the library to find a different reaction out of a book. Found a reaction and we tried it. It (apparently) worked, (he rejected my suggestion to test the product to make sure we had the desired compound).
The summer ended and I resumed my classes during the fall semester.
PhilX
You used to be some sort of above averagely bright young man if the story you tell us is true. But now you are the guy who starts all the shittest conversations on the internet, and thinks that the motto in this phrase is profound...
Nonetheless, Eggnogg is correct, scientists in real life are not some ultra special class that stands apart from other people. I was in a pub last Friday with about 30 assorted molecular biologists, bionformaticians, and other science guys who do stuff with DNA. Occasionally they do say something I don't understand about magnesium. But most of the time they talk about football, holidays and all the other stuff that everyone else talks about too. They are normal people, who happen to have put in more effort than most others.Philosophy Explorer wrote: βSat Mar 03, 2018 9:54 pm My sales motto which contains my philosophy is
"The more I sell, the less I sell and the less I sell, the more I sell." I leave it to you to figure out exactly what I mean in its many implications.
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Re: Is science only for the scientists?
FDP said:
"You used to be some sort of above averagely bright young man if the story you tell us is true. But now you are the guy who starts all the shittest conversations on the internet, and thinks that the motto in this phrase is profound..."
Just one of the guys, same as you (but I don't do ad homs).
PhilX
"You used to be some sort of above averagely bright young man if the story you tell us is true. But now you are the guy who starts all the shittest conversations on the internet, and thinks that the motto in this phrase is profound..."
Just one of the guys, same as you (but I don't do ad homs).
PhilX