I bow to her but she is not my Goddess.
My God is I am.
Regards
DL
I bow to her but she is not my Goddess.
Freedom of expression is one of the civil liberties among free peoples.libel and slander are normally illegal. Keeping the peace is the difficult one. Some people are quick to take offence.I would rather people express themselves to their fullest extent, then to enforce laws against hate. Defamation of character, and not keeping the peace are the exceptions to the rule.
Most people hate unreasonably from an insufficient knowledge base. God alone has a sufficient knowledge base.One can express their hate peacefully, and honestly. There is hate with justified cause, and hate with no justification. No one can love everything. And there are two different kinds of hate.
One expressing hate must show basis, relevance, and justification as is necessary for it to be civil.
Some people feel that attacks on their beliefs are the same as or as bad as attacks on their colour, age, sex, state of health, financial status, or state of health. Identifying completely with beliefs is the mark of an ideologue.Personal attacks, and blatant lies should be stamped out, not by written laws, but by civil responsiblity among the masses.
value understanding and discussion.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:44 amI bow to her but she is not my Goddess.
My God is I am.
Regards
DL
Well put.osgart wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:17 pm I would rather people express themselves to their fullest extent, then to enforce laws against hate. Defamation of character, and not keeping the peace are the exceptions to the rule.
One can express their hate peacefully, and honestly. There is hate with justified cause, and hate with no justification. No one can love everything. And there are two different kinds of hate.
One expressing hate must show basis, relevance, and justification as is necessary for it to be civil.
Personal attacks, and blatant lies should be stamped out, not by written laws, but by civil responsiblity among the masses.
Its everyones responsibility to keep the civil peace. And if someone wants to make accusations, they should be prepared to provide evidence.
gaffo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:48 amvalue understanding and discussion.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:44 amI bow to her but she is not my Goddess.
My God is I am.
Regards
DL
per your above????????????
so whom is you God?
not Sophia?
the only other Goddess (Germanic one - 000 AD.BC was Nurtis - is that your Goddess?) i know is the German one (--------------i guess i know of the indian Goddess of Shiva and Kali too.................to clarify)
or the "proper" understanding of Yahwah?
or El (if you do not view El as the same as one of his sons YHWH?
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I value discourse, but in order to discuss i must understand your views Sir ;-/.
I understand the above (thanks for reply BTW) - "we follow Jesus' teachings, not the icon and the other "Christians" do.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:27 pmgaffo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:48 amvalue understanding and discussion.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:44 am
I bow to her but she is not my Goddess.
My God is I am.
Regards
DL
per your above????????????
so whom is you God?
not Sophia?
the only other Goddess (Germanic one - 000 AD.BC was Nurtis - is that your Goddess?) i know is the German one (--------------i guess i know of the indian Goddess of Shiva and Kali too.................to clarify)
or the "proper" understanding of Yahwah?
or El (if you do not view El as the same as one of his sons YHWH?
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I value discourse, but in order to discuss i must understand your views Sir ;-/.
Modern Gnostic Christians name our God "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.
You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.
The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.
In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.
That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.
Here is the real way Jesus taught.
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded
Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU
The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural.
Regards
DL
I'd like to point out important differences between Stalin era and Putin era Russia:
they did two "stupid things" under Putin, so to rule out a 3rd or 4th "Stupid act" of illegal conquest of another soveriegn nation by Russia - is not off the table for me.Necromancer wrote: ↑Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:11 pm I think it's not credible that there is a possibility for Russia to do very stupid things again, despite Ukraine and Georgia. The World is just too connected and the mess a military assault against a nation would make, would just be very damaging in terms of international reactions, I find.
To believe in a real Yahweh would mean believing in the supernatural.gaffo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:27 pmI understand the above (thanks for reply BTW) - "we follow Jesus' teachings, not the icon and the other "Christians" do.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:27 pmgaffo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:48 am
value understanding and discussion.
per your above????????????
so whom is you God?
not Sophia?
the only other Goddess (Germanic one - 000 AD.BC was Nurtis - is that your Goddess?) i know is the German one (--------------i guess i know of the indian Goddess of Shiva and Kali too.................to clarify)
or the "proper" understanding of Yahwah?
or El (if you do not view El as the same as one of his sons YHWH?
------------
I value discourse, but in order to discuss i must understand your views Sir ;-/.
Modern Gnostic Christians name our God "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.
You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.
The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.
In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.
That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.
Here is the real way Jesus taught.
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded
Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU
The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural.
Regards
DL
thats fine - good in fact. so that make you a non-Sualist, excellent.
however you did not actually answer my inquary as to who/whom is your God?
Gnostics viewed YHWH as evil and lesser and not actually God, but a "basterd product that only thought he was God) - son of Sophia.
You state "I am" above - well that was what YHWH said his name was to moses (s I'm sure you know).
so do you affirm YHWH as God and not Sophia? - if you do then you are not a Gnostic (IMO),
perhaps a "protognosic" aka follower of some of the works like Gosp of Thomas and - yes- even Gosp of john.
- while discounting Apocolyptic works like Revelation, and Gosp of Mark.
BTW i think Jesus was an essene (like John the Baptist (they knew each other) - both had folliowings and both preached at the same time and were of equal stature (the latter lost out to history and is now though lesser than Jesus).
Jesus, as an Essene, would have been an Apocalypticist
litterally the End of the World within 30 yrs, then the Lion will eat grass and lie with the lamb (note: this theology ties in with Essenes being Vegitarians - first thing post fall of Adam was killing of animals to provide clothing and food). and according to Jubaless (the most favored book of the Essenes BTW) - said fall of Adam, created carnivorous animals (and thus Lion's stopped eating straw and instead Lambs - but at the End Days = will return to inocence and eat straw agian (Jesus knew about Jubaless theology because he was an Essene).
BTW according to Jubaless - Man and animals could talk to each other - as equals - prior to the Fall, then a "Wall" was placed, and man could not longer talk to the animals (not addressed in the book if animals can talk to each other however - post Fall).
One should also remember that Russia isn't that old in time from its Soviet Union past.Necromancer wrote: ↑Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:11 pmI'd like to point out important differences between Stalin era and Putin era Russia:
* 1994 - Member of "Partnership for Peace" that has a strong affiliation to NATO
* 1996 - Russia became the 39th member state of the Council of Europe
* 1998 - Russia ratified the European Convention on Human Rights
* 2012 - Member of WTO (World Trade Organization)
"After the dissolution of the Soviet Union the affiliation to the Eastern Orthodox church have risen substantially and in 2015 about 71% of the population of Russia declared itself to be Eastern Orthodox, and the share of who identitied as religiously unaffiliated declined from a 61% in 1991 to 18% in 2008."
- "suggesting" a deep improvement of respect for Christian/Kantian Ethics and for Human Rights (ECHR/UDHR).
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia
Joseph Stalin has been a virtual dictator of "no-rules and no-human-rights" Soviet Union, both Communist and Atheist. Stalin is known for the genocides under his rule. Also for being a brutal idiot.
Even though Putin and Medvedev have been leading, interchangeably, by the prime minister and the president positions, I think it's not credible that there is a possibility for Russia to do very stupid things again, despite Ukraine and Georgia. The World is just too connected and the mess a military assault against a nation would make, would just be very damaging in terms of international reactions, I find.
If that is the case, you will have to seek one elsewhere as that is not what I am. I like to think I am a cut above.gaffo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:39 pm thanks or reply - have to get beer and cigarettes first though before i reply (I dissagree with the guy in your link - i watched it - agree with too/but mostly dissagree).
I will reply in full why when i get back.
thanks for replying to me - love disscussing religion though an atheist.
There were people who were named Jesus back then but to say that the miracle working Jesus was real means believing in the supernatural and that is too foolish for me to do.gaffo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:01 am the vid you provided is the classical "mythic view" aka Richard Carrier and the other guy Ehrman debated - i.e. whether Jesus existed (jesus the man).
the guy in your vid does not think so.
i do, and that the man became more than a man from
1st. being made Son of God at his death
then a few years later
2nd being made Son of God at age 30 via his baptism by john (gosp of Mark is my fav - Jesus is the most human in this work - and why i like it).
then a few years later
3rd Jesus was born God's son (Matt/luke)
then a few years later
4th Jesus was God's son (John also claims he is God himself!) from the beginning of time.
I liked these vids (check out all the numbers from 1-10 or so - they are great and in detail about many particular books of the bible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUfAvjNydw8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdiJ793twJA
if you deny YHWH - and deny that there was a man that lived called Jesus (son of Pantera - interesting disscussion about this on one of the 10 or so vids (not in the 2 gave above - but in a couple of others by the guy speaker - another part i think in otherwords), but value the myths of jesus and the gnostiv views of some works about him, then you to me seem to be a Agnostic/Atheist that values the gnostic myths concerning jesus.
BTW Jesus is mentioned as existing in Josephus' work and the jewish mishna (where he is mentioned as "jesus the son of Pantara"
Celsus also mentions him in what is attributed to him via Origin;s discourse with - and also claims he is the son of Pantara.