Can slavery ever be justified?
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Can slavery ever be justified?
I don't think so on balance. Too many negatives associated with it.
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Re: Can slavery ever be justified?
Well we still have technical slavery. Animals serve our needs. Cows, chickens, pigs, sheep.
But amongst humans, no.
Ps. I like meat alot, and I don't plan to stop eating it!
But amongst humans, no.
Ps. I like meat alot, and I don't plan to stop eating it!
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Re: Can slavery ever be justified?
Unfortunately, yes.
Conscription + alternative service for conscientious objectors is slavery. Most countries have conscription, because the people want it.
It's a shame.
I personally don't think conscription can ever be justified, but the vast majority of Earth's population seem to think it can. They are actually arguing in favor of slavery.
Conscription + alternative service for conscientious objectors is slavery. Most countries have conscription, because the people want it.
It's a shame.
I personally don't think conscription can ever be justified, but the vast majority of Earth's population seem to think it can. They are actually arguing in favor of slavery.
Re: Can slavery ever be justified?
Good point!philosopher wrote: โFri Jun 15, 2018 10:29 pm Unfortunately, yes.
Conscription + alternative service for conscientious objectors is slavery. Most countries have conscription, because the people want it.
It's a shame.
I personally don't think conscription can ever be justified, but the vast majority of Earth's population seem to think it can. They are actually arguing in favor of slavery.
And also paying taxes is slavery, since it's your money, and you can be imprisoned for not paying!
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i am a part-owner of a business, and as much as i hate paying taxes this is absurd
for starers, the line of business i am in is heavily subsidized - i am a farmer. I think farm subsidies are a good thing (in general, there are many specifics that need work) but just on that basis alone it would be absurd for me to claim that my profits are entirely my own
farming is not the only subsidized industry - there are many others
that aside, my business relies on infrastructure paid for by taxpayers
my daughter goes to school paid for by taxpayers
i take classes at a local community college that give me knowledge and skills to better run my business - and they are heavily subsidized
so it would make no sense for me to insist that the money i make are solely the result of my work and i dont owe anyone anything, that it is entirely "my money"
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How do you define slavery? Is this a good definition: Using people to work for you while they have lower standard of life.Philosophy Explorer wrote: โFri Jun 15, 2018 8:49 pm I don't think so on balance. Too many negatives associated with it.
PhilX
Re: Can slavery ever be justified?
There are one or two actions you can take. Eat less meat for instance more veg less meat, or meat free meal once a week. Probably better for you anyway.
Also, unless you are very poor you can perhaps choose best quality meat that has been born, fattened, and slaughtered locally by craftsman butcher.
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Re: Can slavery ever be justified?
Conscription is demanding you work for the state, if you don't you get punished.QuantumT wrote: โFri Jun 15, 2018 11:53 pmGood point!philosopher wrote: โFri Jun 15, 2018 10:29 pm Unfortunately, yes.
Conscription + alternative service for conscientious objectors is slavery. Most countries have conscription, because the people want it.
It's a shame.
I personally don't think conscription can ever be justified, but the vast majority of Earth's population seem to think it can. They are actually arguing in favor of slavery.
And also paying taxes is slavery, since it's your money, and you can be imprisoned for not paying!
Therefore, conscription is slavery.
Taxation however, is not. Taxation does not demand you work for anyone to pay your taxes. If you don't sell/buy anything (ie. selling your labor, which laborers do) you don't earn money, you don't pay taxes. It's that simple.
In-fact you have a personal deduction of taxes, before you start paying taxes.
Nobody in the tax departments are demanding you WORK in order to pay taxes. You can also get the money (legally) in other ways. Pensions, shares, interests etc.
Taxation is a neccessity in any civilisation. It pays for welfare and infrastructure and maybe - in the future - Basic Income (or something similar) which grants everybody money to live for without the requirements of work or other activities.
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Re: Can slavery ever be justified?
Semi-related to this nowadays in the US is it's becoming fashionable to expect Medicaid recipients to work. I don't have enough details to make comments, however it seems to tie into conservatism.philosopher wrote: โSat Jun 16, 2018 3:01 pmConscription is demanding you work for the state, if you don't you get punished.QuantumT wrote: โFri Jun 15, 2018 11:53 pmGood point!philosopher wrote: โFri Jun 15, 2018 10:29 pm Unfortunately, yes.
Conscription + alternative service for conscientious objectors is slavery. Most countries have conscription, because the people want it.
It's a shame.
I personally don't think conscription can ever be justified, but the vast majority of Earth's population seem to think it can. They are actually arguing in favor of slavery.
And also paying taxes is slavery, since it's your money, and you can be imprisoned for not paying!
Therefore, conscription is slavery.
Taxation however, is not. Taxation does not demand you work for anyone to pay your taxes. If you don't sell/buy anything (ie. selling your labor, which laborers do) you don't earn money, you don't pay taxes. It's that simple.
In-fact you have a personal deduction of taxes, before you start paying taxes.
Nobody in the tax departments are demanding you WORK in order to pay taxes. You can also get the money (legally) in other ways. Pensions, shares, interests etc.
Taxation is a neccessity in any civilisation. It pays for welfare and infrastructure and maybe - in the future - Basic Income (or something similar) which grants everybody money to live for without the requirements of work or other activities.
PhilX
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Re: Can slavery ever be justified?
I'm adding this question: can marriage be regarded as a form of slavery?
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I'm sorry sweatheart, I'm a meat-oholic. More is better!Belinda wrote: โSat Jun 16, 2018 2:37 pm There are one or two actions you can take. Eat less meat for instance more veg less meat, or meat free meal once a week. Probably better for you anyway.
Also, unless you are very poor you can perhaps choose best quality meat that has been born, fattened, and slaughtered locally by craftsman butcher.
You are right. Tax is not so bad, when you think deeper about it.
Only if it's an arranged marriage.Philosophy Explorer wrote: โSat Jun 16, 2018 9:53 pm I'm adding this question: can marriage be regarded as a form of slavery?
PhilX
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With improved automation this question may increasingly become moot - unless perhaps there is a Westworld style uprising.
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QuantumT wrote:
But a meatoholic surely wants quality meat, not diseased meat that's been fattened with hormones and antibiotics?I'm sorry sweatheart, I'm a meat-oholic. More is better!
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True! In my country the farmers are under pressure to stop using antibiotics (and hormones have never been used).
We're slowly getting there. So I'm in the clear on those points