jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:10 pm
I think that it is incredibly hard to change people’s minds. Even if you have a thought process that you think cannot be denied, people will deny it. A statement that seems obviously true to you will not necessarily be true to other people and they will stick with their thinking.
It’s probably the case that you will stick to your thinking and even if I submit a logical argument, you will not grant me approval. Yet I want approval (or at least positive recognition) so I will continue to refine my argument in the hopes that my argument will register as valid (up to a point).
But I don’t know what argument I can make for you. You disagree with my conclusions so you won’t consider my arguments. I am wasting my time.
I'm never going to agree with any knowledge that pertains to a separate knower, ...so as long as there is the belief in a separate knower, then I'm going to instantly reject that assumed claimed knowledge.
I can only accept knowledge that comes from the very core central heart of knowing that is within my own presence that is my experience. So as far as my logic is concerned, if every one else did the same self inquiry ... they would also see through the separate self separation phenomena...but I also know that people really want to believe that knowledge is copyrighted, whereas I do not and never will believe knowledge is personally copyrighted. To me knowledge is all story telling, arising as a fiction, simply because words are the only thing that have created the world of things.
Before the words, there were no things...not a thing. Just this simply unclaimed unborn IS-NESS presence.
The problem I have is that I know there is no separate self, and that the idea there is a separate self is but an artificial construction of thought which is triggered by sensation. All sensation is fleeting and ever changing..so this assumed self is changing moment to moment, there is no concrete or solid permanent 'self' existing anywhere whatsoever.
I also know that what appears to be a separate self ...is born and then lives a brief spell, and then dies...so how can that which appears and disappears be a ''real self''...?
There never was/is a separate self....there's just everything and nothing, here now nowhere.
In other words, there's just infinity expressing itself infinitely...there is no known beginning, nor will there be any known ending...all that is known is fiction arising as infinity itself.
This is so BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS RIGHT HERE AND NOW.. and yet no one seems to want to believe it.
Of course this is not going to go down too well with the separate self believers...they are never going to give up the idea that they do not exist, it must be quite frightening to find out that what you ONCE thought to exist turns out it never actually did.
For me, this has been a wonderful discovery, I knew I did not exist almost in the exact same moment the thought I did exist happened...I remember the exact moment like it was yesterday, if I existed, then I must also not exist...this logic came to me in a flash of insight...and I have no idea why it happened to me at such a young age...but that instant realisation hit home to me when I was about 6 years old. It's been an amazing discovery for me, for the one I think myself to be is not only finite...but is infinity itself.
So to me, there was an instant recognition that each time we die, it's just the end of one of infinities experiences, it's not the end, but a new beginning of a different experience...in that all endings are beginnings and beginnings are endings...all the same one ocean waving to itself, in an infinite seamless sea of possibility and pure potential...
This is my vision, and nothing will ever change that vision, not in this life time anyway. I'm not saying it is absolute truth and that people should accept it...you are all free to believe what you want..you are freedom expressing itself in every free moment. There is no other force or agent in the world that can change your own vision the way you see it as a part of this infinity expressing itself in infinite ways.
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