seeds wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:43 am
The point is that you need to consider the idea that even God requires a “mechanistic process” to achieve the manifestation of her own offspring.
And that process begins right here on earth as is depicted in the image below...
Seeds, the mystics are saying the same thing, Nick is just pointing out ..that there does appear to be a prior ''fallen condition'' aka the''animal self'' that we have inherited from our ancestors the apes which still appears to be prevalent in society today.
It's not that the ''fallen condition'' is a literal condition in and of itself, of course it isn't..Reality is still just God's story of evolution ...in that evolution itself has reached a stage where the human being is fully conscious it is consciousness.. and can transcend from separate consciousness into unity consciousness..and that this transformational capacity to awaken from the ''animal condition'' into the God like status..is what is happening right now on a global scale, people are waking up rapidly like no other time in history...the paradigm shift means that if one man can awaken ..so too can the whole world awaken.
I think that's what Nick is referring to when he talks about the ''fallen condition''....so really, it has to be mentioned,and Nick just happens to mention it.. and I agree with him..
And I also know what you are talking about when you refer to the ''mechanistic process'' that was needed so that God become God in the flesh...so I see it what you and Nick are saying from both sides, from your side and from Nicks side ...neither of you are wrong here...I'm sure Nick will correct me if I'm wrong in what I've just said.
And yes the second birth is the final birth, it's the transformation, the awakening from flesh back to spirit. Our divine Mother gave birth twice..
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. You have to be born again to know your true eternal self.
seeds wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:43 amIt is a dual-stage process that will be completed in our second and final birth into full-consciousness and true reality after crossing the threshold of physical death.
And finally, just as that newly born infant - an hour or so before that photograph was taken - did not exist in a “fallen condition” relative to its mother, likewise, neither does humanity exist in a “fallen condition” relative to God, as you so often proclaim.
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Yes, this is true, but man doesn't know this until he awakens ....prior to awakening, man still thinks he's an ape, with all the animal characteristics that go with that.
Also, Nick talks about the psychological disorder that is unique to humans because of their sense of separation.
Even though, that separation was meant to be there in order that the consciousness could awaken from it's separate identity into unity...it was a necessity so to speak.
And the fact that the human condition that is the world of separate things meant conflict self-centred -ness...division, wars and disorder that are just not there in the natural world because these conditions are human constructs, and the fact that they are the ones who invented these un-natural constructs, means they can undo them, they can change their fear based ..''them against us'' ... perceptions and change them to create the reality they want for the better, minus the psychological suffering separation brings, they can think in terms of unity and wholeness instead.
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The thing is seeds, we've all got our own unique ways of talking about awakening...none of us are wrong, just as none of us are separated from God in the first place.
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