Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:48 pm
First of all, do you distinguish between consciousness and “contents of consciousness?” Most seem to confuse the two. They believe that consciousness exists when they become conscious of things which I call contents of cosciousness. Yet for me consciousness and the contents of consciousness are different but related levels of reality.
Hi Nick, thanks for getting back to us...yeah, I was having problems with the site as well.
The distinguishing appears when there is an awareness of self, and awareness of being alive ..when awareness knows sensation.. the mind is born which is the faculty for making distinction between what was previously unknown, but NOT ABSENT.. into to the known...I Am PRESENT.
So I agree with you that consciousness and the contents of consciousness are different but related levels of reality. Yes, this is true.
Consciousness and the contents of Consciousness are inseparably ONE..THE DIFFERENCES are all within this same one as itself.
As consciousness cannot experience it's own absence...what do you mean by absence?
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:48 pmConsciousness is never absent. It becomes covered over by imagination pertaining to contents of consciousness becoming dominant.
Yes, I agree...absence is known only in relation to being present, the present gives birth to the knower of absence in the same instant.. PRESENCE is this immediate stateless state...the absent presence.
It's weird sounding but the awakened mind will get this.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:48 pmActually the commandment says not to murder in the heart rather than kill. We kill for many reasons including the need to eat and self defense to eat. But to murder in the heart is a very dangerous expression of pride which is a real spirit killer.
Yes, I do recall that now, I agree do not murder...it's different to killing. Killing is unavoidable it's part and parcel of life, but to murder is againt the natural eternal law.
Suicide is a form of murder I think.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:48 pmBut you have raised an important question. We have been discussing God concepts which I agree are important. But if it is true that if we live in imagination, our God concepts will just become distorted. For example, realistically there can be no conflict between science and the essence of religion since they are both true. Yet conflict is intense. It seems that we do not know what we are or even what Man is. If we don’t, how can we have a realistic appreciation of the God/Man conscious connection? In the future would you be willing to participate in a thread examining Plato’s tripartite soul as described in Plato’s Chariot allegory? Obviously since the white horse is attracted to eternal values and the forms, it would be meaningless for the secularists. But if a few open to the idea participate, it could become meaningful for contemplating what we ARE and the struggle between the desires of our higher and lower natures.
Agreed, .. we can be both aware of our infinite self and aware of our finite self in the same moment, simply because to be aware of our finite self wouldn't make any sense if it's opposite was not included, present in the same moment...most people only identify with one side of the story...they don't see infinity, they only see finity, which is understandable...they cannot see that they are infinite, while knowing they die..when the realisation dawns that they cannot die..the divine paradox is seen as an eternal law...that HAS TO BE.
Presence or aware one is alive is not imagined...it's what comes after presence that is imagined, simply because nothing can come after infinity, there is only infinity..aka everything and nothing.
To be walking in synchronisation with the natural eternal laws, we have to allow what's happening to be exactly how it is without inference or resistance or having any control over it...just like animals live their lives...non-conceptually...and this is not thought about by most humans because they invented language which they took upon to be what constitutes real reality when it's nothing more than imagination...beyond the story is what's actually real.
Humans have been gifted the with sense of self awareness, their consciousness is totally and utterly limitless. Because they ARE CONSCIOUSNESS aware of itself...so they can consciously be aware of their eternal life unfolding as this evolution in progress..
I could go on explaining this and writing about it in and on so many different levels and ways...forever, but time eludes me, there's just not enough time to do it in this temporal life right now...there is so much info streaming into me all the time, my brain can hardly cope ...
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