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Re: Race versus culture

Post by Seleucus » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:52 pm

Londoner wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:14 pm
Seleucus wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:09 pm
Since colored immigration isn't stopping and birthrates are about triple the native population's, your people can be expected to lose majority status and political control somewhere around 2050.
Just as long as your people never get political control.
We already dominate the World, have for ages, and with no end in sight --

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Re: Race versus culture

Post by Belinda » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:49 pm

Seleucus wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:52 pm
Londoner wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:14 pm
Seleucus wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:09 pm
Since colored immigration isn't stopping and birthrates are about triple the native population's, your people can be expected to lose majority status and political control somewhere around 2050.
Just as long as your people never get political control.
We already dominate the World, have for ages, and with no end in sight --
I am afraid that may be correct. Did you read about (Guardian today)how our universities' finances are to a dangerous extent controlled by the fat cats? Our universities among our last fortresses of honest service to truth and people.

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Re: Race versus culture

Post by Londoner » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:30 pm

Seleucus wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:52 pm
We already dominate the World, have for ages, and with no end in sight --
I strongly doubt if you dominate anything.

What you mean is that because some powerful people have a white skin, and you have a white skin, you hope that makes you a powerful person too. As one orange skinned person might say; So sad!

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Re: Race versus culture

Post by Arising_uk » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:45 pm

Seleucus wrote:Since colored immigration isn't stopping and birthrates are about triple the native population's, your people can be expected to lose majority status and political control somewhere around 2050.
:lol: The far-right changed their tune on this one have they? As the last time I heard this it was by 2020. You're making the assumption that the 15% are a unified political, social, ethnic and cultural block, they aren't.

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Re: Race versus culture

Post by Arising_uk » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:49 pm

Seleucus wrote:Maybe they want just as you say no doubt. I am under no obligation to sacrifice my or my peoples, friends and family's prosperity and safety to accommodate these people. They are a dangerous threat. ...
:lol: That's funny as this is exactly what some Americans said about the white European immigrants when they came to America.
That tiger looking at you, he is only hungry, have you no pity?
You Yanks always need an enemy don't you, no doubt because you have no culture of your own.

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Re: Race versus culture

Post by Arising_uk » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:36 pm

Seleucus wrote:Since race, language, culture and spiritual tradition tend to be bundled, we can track any one if we wish to be able to identify our kin peoples. We could look for racial qualities like facial phenotypes and complexion, or we could look at cultural items like eating with a fork, or we could look at a true shibboleth like the Indo-European sound laws: just as essentially all Oriental peoples cannot make either th sound, certain sounds such as the consonant blends like /st/or /ks/essentially only occur in Indo-European languages. Another example would be grammatical gender which only appears in the languages of Caucasian peoples. ...
So why not use the fork then? Why do you use skin-colour instead?

The British born Chinese seem to have no problem with making the 'th' sound yet the French appear to, how does that marry with your genetic claim?

Still, I'm all for this, if you can talk English with a definable accent from these Isles then you are British. And you know what, in my experience this is pretty much accepted by many white racists.
So what? LOL. You probably don't even remember why you've been trying to hoist this strawman for months.
"Months"? You are demented.

The so what is because there is no causative link between one's genes and the language one speaks, hence babies of any race will speak fluently any language that they were raised with.
Probably because its a relatively trivial thing compared with the depth and awesomeness of language, race and spirituality.
Or more likely because it doesn't fit your racialist agenda.
I honestly haven't read much Spengler. Be that as it may, 3rd world people iterate 3rd would countries due to the lack of integrated schema that support modern states. If you get enough 3rd Worlders in your country you will get of course a 3rd World country. ..
Hence my proposals for my nation.
Nice red herring with the climate change.
Don't tell me, you think the world is not getting hotter. Figures.
You can pivot all day long but the fact is: 3rd world people iterate 3rd would countries due to the lack of integrated schema that support modern states. If you get enough 3rd Worlders in your country you will get of course a 3rd World country. Psychologies are highly resistant to change, only great pain and great amounts of time can effect it. ...
You losing your short-term memory?
So what? Who ever in all these months of discussion said it was. ...
You pretty much have in every post you've made.
You're strawmanning.
If the tin-hat fits.
Closely related Germanic families of Indo-European peoples.
What about the non-krauts?
No. That's the old and wrong view. ...
No, it's not. What is different is it doesn't seem to involve as much warfare as was suggested but ironically enough it does seem to be the threat you propose we should face of non-indigenous settling and taking over.
Modern linguistics, archeology and genetics demonstrate that the people of England were already Germanic, so the Anglo-Saxon invasion was like a welcome home party, not a hostile invasion: ...
Welcome home party. :lol:
"Contrary to narratives suggesting large-scale displacement of the Britons by Anglo-Saxon invaders..."
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35344663

"The other myth I was taught at school, one which persists to this day, is that the English are almost all descended from 5th-century invaders, the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, from the Danish peninsula, who wiped out the indigenous Celtic population of England. ... The tribes of England south of the Thames and along the south coast during Caesar’s time all had Belgic names or affiliations. Caesar tells us that these large intrusive settlements had replaced an earlier British population..."
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg ... t-its-dna/ ...
:lol: Do you even read the stuff you link to or only the titles. All your articles say is that contrary to what you wish and claim it appears that the Britons there interbred with the foreigners, which they were as if you'd read your articles you'd see that the earlier settlers were a disparate genetic group. You'd also have noticed that at max the modern Brit is only 40% Anglo-Saxon.
And let's not get distracted from the point which is that Iberia vomited out the Muslim invaders because they were foreign bodies, unlike pre-Roman Germanic peoples of England who integrated with the Anglo-Saxons who were of similar language, culture and spiritual tradition. Which is who Greeks, Irish and Germans could all integrate in the Americas: they are closely related peoples, where as, Africans and Turks are not integrating after generations. ...
:lol: That you think the Greeks, Germans and Irish have integrated in America(what happened to the Italians?).
You're simply wrong and lost in an ideological delusion.

Modern linguistics, archeology and genetics demonstrate that the people of England were already Germanic, so the Anglo-Saxon invasion was like a welcome home party, not a hostile invasion: ...
You getting a twitch or something?

Read your own links and you will see that all it says is that the Celts were not a unified genetic group and whilst there was a Germanic influx at the same time this is not the 'already Germanic' that you wish.
... "The other myth I was taught at school, ...
I thought you were a Yank?
I didn't have to click on the link to know it was Gangs of NewYork, ...
:lol: Of course you didn't.
... those of us who identify as European, and not British like you, don't have the same internecine prejudice against Irish and easily accept the Irish as our European brothers and sisters. Get over it you bigot. Happy St.Patrick's Day! ...
So much for America and being American then. I definitely admit to being bigoted towards the Yank plastic paddies but 30 years of my life living with them funding terrorism against my nation will do that.
So what? For the literally one-hundredth time in this discussion: So what? What point do you believe you are making. It's never been insisted in months of discussion that race causes language. What do you believe your strawman is demonstrating or defending? Frankly I have no clue.
You've not been reading your own posts then.
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Re: Race versus culture

Post by GreatandWiseTrixie » Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:34 am

Frankly, I want to set this straight. I don't hate blacks any more than I hate whites. I don't give a crap about whites dominating the world or any crap like that. White politicians are garbage, black politicians are garbage, the vast majority of politicians are garbage.

There are some nice blacks, and some nice whites.

When I go outside, I loathe and hate blacks I see, but I also look out the window and loathe and hate some Whites i see as well.

My main point is, I don't think blacks have the same level of cognitive capacity as whites do. You say that this trait is only with American blacks, and that all the blacks in the UK are part of some kind of utopia of geniuses, but I'm not really buying it.

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Re: Race versus culture

Post by Arising_uk » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:51 am

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:... My main point is, I don't think blacks have the same level of cognitive capacity as whites do. You say that this trait is only with American blacks, and that all the blacks in the UK are part of some kind of utopia of geniuses, but I'm not really buying it.
I really don't care what you buy as you are a deluded loon who only hears what they want as I've never said anything of the sort. What I have said is that the experience you describe that you apply to all black people is based upon black yanks and in my experience does not apply to all black people.
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Re: Race versus culture

Post by davidm » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:51 am

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:34 am

My main point is, I don't think blacks have the same level of cognitive capacity as whites do.
Well, you are absolutely wrong, as usual.

My zod, this place is loathsome. A nice platform for the alt-right, neo-Nazis, Nazis, racists, misogynists, homophobes, transphobes, bigots of every stripe, and cretins like this thing to whom I am inexplicably replying. Looks like xman, who obviously is steeped in philosophy just from his first few posts, has already blown this tawdry popcorn stand. Good for him.

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Re: Race versus culture

Post by GreatandWiseTrixie » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:53 am

davidm wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:51 am
GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:34 am

My main point is, I don't think blacks have the same level of cognitive capacity as whites do.
Well, you are absolutely wrong, as usual.

My zod, this place is loathsome. A nice platform for the alt-right, neo-Nazis, Nazis, racists, misogynists, homophobes, transphobes, bigots of every stripe, and cretins like this thing to whom I am inexplicably replying. Looks like xman, who obviously is steeped in philosophy just from his first few posts, has already blown this tawdry popcorn stand. Good for him.
as usual, neither of you have the balls to step up to the plate and deliver any rhetoric, other than the re-tart-ed usual drivel of insults and pathetic online bullying.

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Re: Race versus culture

Post by Arising_uk » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:58 am

See this bit numbnuts?

"What I have said is that the experience you describe that you apply to all black people is based upon black yanks and in my experience does not apply to all black people."

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Re: Race versus culture

Post by GreatandWiseTrixie » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:26 am

Arising_uk wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:58 am
See this bit numbnuts?

"What I have said is that the experience you describe that you apply to all black people is based upon black yanks and in my experience does not apply to all black people."
I'm still waiting for you to prove how blacks are cognitively equal to most whites.
Let's say that in the town you live in, the blacks are about as smart as the whites in that town.
But compare that to other towns.
Are they as smart as the engineering towns?
And the other thing is this.
Your black immigrants are the blacks in Africa who desire the best education, obviously they are the smartest cream of the crop of Africa to begin with.

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Re: Race versus culture

Post by Arising_uk » Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:01 pm

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:I'm still waiting for you to prove how blacks are cognitively equal to most whites. ...
How can one prove this?
Let's say that in the town you live in, the blacks are about as smart as the whites in that town. ...
What are you gibbering on about?

I'm still waiting for you to explain why the poor white boys are doing worst of all in our education system?
But compare that to other towns. ...
There are pretty much no blacks in most towns.
Are they as smart as the engineering towns?
What's one of those?
And the other thing is this.
Your black immigrants are the blacks in Africa who desire the best education, obviously they are the smartest cream of the crop of Africa to begin with.
No, our black people are in the main descendants of caribbean immigrants who came here in response to the call for workers in the 50's and 60's. It's only recently that, due to the EU, there has been an influx from French Africa and like all such moves the good and the bad come.

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Re: Race versus culture

Post by Seleucus » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:06 pm

davidm wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:51 am
GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:34 am
My main point is, I don't think blacks have the same level of cognitive capacity as whites do.
Well, you are absolutely wrong, as usual.
https://abagond.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/blackiq.gif

The important issue isn't that it is, which is long beyond dispute, but why and what that means.

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Re: Race versus culture

Post by Seleucus » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:21 pm

Arising_uk wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:36 pm
Seleucus wrote:"The other myth I was taught at school, one which persists to this day, is that the English are almost all descended from 5th-century invaders, the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, from the Danish peninsula, who wiped out the indigenous Celtic population of England. ... The tribes of England south of the Thames and along the south coast during Caesar’s time all had Belgic names or affiliations. Caesar tells us that these large intrusive settlements had replaced an earlier British population..."
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg ... t-its-dna/ ...
Read your own links and you will see that all it says is that the Celts were not a unified genetic group and whilst there was a Germanic influx at the same time this is not the 'already Germanic' that you wish.
One of the articles does say that Celts are a bit of an invention. And, also, as you must have read, in deed I quoted the sections for you, that the Anglo-Saxons did not displace Celtic peoples who ran for the hills, as you had written, but rather the pre-Roman English were Germanic peoples who had some time earlier migrated over from what is today Belgium. The point being, which you presumably agree with, is the pre-Roman Germanic English integrated with the Anglo-Saxons because they were all of very similar race, language, culture and spiritual tradition: which is also why the Irish and Greeks and Germans and so on easily assimilated in America -- and is why the Arabs and the Iberians never integrated, and why today the Blacks and Muslims and Turks will never in a thousand years integrate into any White European societies. You agree with this.
So what? For the literally one-hundredth time in this discussion: So what? What point do you believe you are making. It's never been insisted in months of discussion that race causes language. What do you believe your strawman is demonstrating or defending? Frankly I have no clue.
You've not been reading your own posts then.
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