Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:57 pm
ken wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:13 pm
You are still trying to say what I do, and still getting it wrong by the way, but to make it worse now you are trying to tell Me what to do. Where or when have I EVER told people how to think?
I say remain open, which is the very opposite of thinking. .
You say to people that unless they are open then they have no way of understanding the nondual self.
Did I really use those words?
If so, can you direct us to them?
What I think we will find is I use words more like; The easiest way to learn and understand some thing is to be open, and/or, to understand who and what the one Self IS is more easily and quickly done by being truly Honest, Open, and Willing to change one's self, for the better. To KNOW the real and true Self, one needs to look at that one self.
I am pretty sure when we go back over our writings we will find you are twisting what I say around just here.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:57 pmYou have said countless times to people especially to me...who already knows this stuff, but you are too up your own dumb arse to see that.
I suggest, especially considering this is a philosophy forum, let us stick with looking at what is true, and possible.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:57 pmThere are loads of nondual speakers on this forum with whom I resonate with, and I never once get into any arguments with them except you.
As long as you resonate with SOME people that is fine. Do you resonate with them on every and all things?
I certainly am NOT one of those nondual speakers. I speak for the Self only.
If you, or others, can not see the message here, it might be to subliminal, then just say so and I will explain it in more detail.
Considering this is a philosophy forum I am always looking for 'arguments',
logical reasoning, with others till we both find, discover, learn, and understand more truth and come together in agreement. This is what I truly enjoy. WHY do you ONLY get into "arguments" with Me?
And, are you really sure that you
never once get into
any 'arguments',
disputes and disagreements, with
any of the many nondual speakers on this forum?
Can you name those "loads" of nondual speakers that you never get into disputses nor disagreements with, so that I can verify what you are saying here is actually true?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:57 pmTo say remain open is to imply one is shut,
Have you ever met a person who is not somewhat closed and/or shut?
A 'person', by definition, is made up of preconceptions, and thus thinking, assuming, and/or believing that they know what is true and right in life.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:57 pm...and it is thought that does this,
And it is thought that does WHAT exactly?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:57 pmso you are wrong to say it's the opposite of thought, when thought is clearly involved...idiot.
Name calling and labelling again. WHY?
What do you THINK this will achieve?
A 'person' IS
a person, and, 'I' am who and what
I am, no matter what names and labels are used.
But to Me, thinking is clearly the opposite of being and remaining open.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:57 pmBy saying to remain open..is to plant the seed of thought into someone ..
When I say, remain open, this is NOT to plant the seed of thought into some one, I am not planting a seed to think, nor to have a thought. I am planting the seed to remain OPEN, which involves NOT thinking or NOT having a thought. To remain open just means to become and remain open, which involves NOT thinking. The internal chatter that comes from thinking deafens out truth and reality. So, by saying, remain open, it is this remaining open that allows you to hear the silence, of KNOWING, of which dontaskme goes on and on about. i, therefore, do not have to give nor provide any answers to you, as you well know, YOU are then able to find answers all by your Self. The answers are with-in YOU. If you do not know HOW to find those answers, then that is totally reasonable as you have never had any experience of this before. But HOW you find ALL the true and right answers, which are within you, is by being truly Honest, Open, and Wanting to change your self, for the better, Self.
If by saying remain open is planting the seed in others, TO THINK, then that just means I need to learn much more about how to express better how to remain open.
By you showing what you do, which you have done by showing the assumptions, and how you jumped to conclusions, which by the way are exactly NOT what I am actually saying, this is helping Me tremendously anyway in learning where and how I am incorrectly expressing and explaining.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:57 pmto make them think or believe they must be closed in some way, a way that is not remaining open.
By saying remain open, I am obviously certainly NOT making people think or believe that they must be closed in some way. The contradiction of that is just to laughable to be serious. HOWEVER, what you have exposed to Me, is that some people, like dontaskme, starts THINKING, and making assumptions and believing some things, which just shows Me where I am going wrong and how much further I have to learn in regards to expressing better.
By saying any thing I am making you, and others, THINK. And, this is the very opposite of what I am saying is the best thing to do. If you, and others, want to discover and/or learn the truth of things, the this is better done by stopping thoughts and being open. What about if I say, STOP thinking, then will you become OPEN, and then you can see if answers will just naturally flow? Does that, in any way, work better?
Or, does saying "Stop thinking" make you take more notice of the thoughts arising in that head?
If so, then this is will be good to know.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:57 pmAnd like I told you before, open cannot NOT be open.
There is NO need to tell Me open can ONLY be open.
No thing can not NOT be what it IS, right?
WHY do you say one thing at one moment and some times in the very next moment you will say some thing completely opposing what you have just said? Like just now. The very next line you state that there is no such thing as remaining open. If open can not NOT be open, then remaining open is such a thing, and a thing that is obviously very possible. If a person is open, and therefore is only being open, then they can remain open. How long one stays or remains open for is another matter, which we will have to wait and see.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:57 pmThere is no such thing as remaining open,
Why not?
Are you telling us that dontaskme can NEVER be open?
Are you saying that dontaskme is always closed, and thus NEVER open to any new ideas or other views?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:57 pm you are telling people how and what to think...
HOW did I, supposedly, tell people to think?
In what way have I, supposedly, told people to think?
WHAT have I, supposedly, told people to think?
When dontaskme answers these questions, then we can look at how much, and if there is actually any or not, truth in what they are saying here.
Saying, remain open, is the very opposite of telling people how and what to think, as it is saying, stop thinking and do not have any thoughts.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:57 pm You make it sound like there is something to do first before understanding dawns for them.
This is false misguided information.
I am NOT saying to do any thing other than keep doing what they were doing when and how they were born into this "world". If people remained open as they were at about birth, then there would NOT be any human made problem's in Life. Therefore, I would NOT need to be here in this forum talking, so that I can learn how to talk and express better.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:57 pm There is nothing anyone has to do to reach understanding ...understanding is already present within them...
EXACTLY, and if people STOPPED thinking, which is what distorts understanding, then what they would actually BE DOING is BEING truly OPEN. And, it is from BEING OPEN where no thing (nor thinking) is happening, and from where ALL truthful answers are already seen, heard, and felt, from within, and just about instantly then understood, by the brain.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:57 pm You remind me of a dictator.
Really?
How so?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:57 pmYour EGO loves to massage itself and you prove that over and over again, you have become the most egotistical person on this forum with your constant need to have your ego massaged.
But NO person, on this forum, has ever "massaged" this Ego. The opposite is more true, as I am usually called things like wrong, moron, idiot, et cetera before I am even asked some thing like, can you explain and/or elaborate more on what you are saying.
I am far more told that I am WRONG far more than I am ever agreed with.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:57 pmAnd yep, I'll have to eat my own words here, and swallow them down real hard all the way in one big gulp...yep I'm attacking the messenger who ever that is, oh yeah, I remember now, it's myself.
Why does dontaskme so often forget, and then only on reflection of what dontaskme has said, remembers who is doing the talking and Who is actually doing the listening?