The Theory of Evolution - perfect?

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PauloL wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:35 pm
Arising_uk wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:28 pm
I asked Arising the probability this week's Powerball match will win next week.

Answer: And the point?
Reverse 'logic'. What are the chances that YOU would be born? Fuck. How many other combinations could there have been? The chance of you being born was exactly 17.56789 squillion to the power of ten/1. This is proof that you don't exist. Now kindly piss off and 'don't exist' somewhere else (and learn to spell haemoglobin).
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Hobbes' Choice wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:23 pm I told you that you made a orthogenetic fallacy.
What is that, some kind of prosthetic sex organ?
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Harbal wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:54 pm
Hobbes' Choice wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:23 pm I told you that you made a orthogenetic fallacy.
What is that, some kind of prosthetic sex organ?
That's more like it! You've got your sense of humour back.
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Hobbes' Choice wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:56 pm
That's more like it! You've got your sense of humour back.
Yes and what a relief it is, jokers block isn't funny.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:04 pm
PauloL wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:35 pm
Arising_uk wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:28 pm
I asked Arising the probability this week's Powerball match will win next week.

Answer: And the point?
Reverse 'logic'. What are the chances that YOU would be born? Fuck. How many other combinations could there have been? The chance of you being born was exactly 17.56789 squillion to the power of ten/1. This is proof that you don't exist. Now kindly piss off and 'don't exist' somewhere else (and learn to spell haemoglobin).
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PauloL wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:12 pm
davidm wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:09 pm
PauloL wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:42 pm

Are you playing Alzheimer?

That was in that evolutionist forum linked by you before, and I had already quoted that matter.

I told you the question here is not hemoglobin synthesis, but hemoglobin production ex nihilo.
HEMOGLOBIN DID NOT ARISE EX NIHILO YOU IDIOT!
Size 200. Wow.

Of course not, Davidm, hemoglobin was just hidden out there just around the corner.

Who cares, Davidm? Evolution is teleological and driven by a force. Hobbes revealed it all.

I have no more doubts about Evolutionomics.
Hemoglobin evolved, you miserable cretin. It did not appear out of nothing. That would be contrary to evolutionary theory.

Evolution is NOT teleological and is NOT driven by a force. What is wrong with you? Did you take a bullet to the head when you were a little shit?
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:04 pm
1. Greta already asked that and I answered. Please check backwards (as a matter of fact, I believe you need checking many more things backwards). I can tell you in advance that "reverse" logic, as you call it idiosyncratically, is best known as confusion between post hoc and pre hoc odds, something quite common.

2. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... aemoglobin
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davidm wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:56 pm
Hemoglobin evolved, you miserable cretin. It did not appear out of nothing. That would be contrary to evolutionary theory.

Evolution is NOT teleological and is NOT driven by a force. What is wrong with you? Did you take a bullet to the head when you were a little shit?
It's your job demonstrate plausibility how hemoglobin evolved but you haven't so far except by asking people to accept dogmas of natural selection or creating 7-billion-ticket lotteries running by the second since Big Bang. Your analogy is funny, I couldn't believe you once were shit. Just for the asking, if you don't mind of course, was that dinosaur's shit? Evolutionomics is terrific.

That would be contrary to evolutionary theory? Oh, don't tell me. That's very serious. Do you think I must rephrase all my questions?

Oh no, not again. Don't tell me evolution is neither teleological nor driven by force (brute force perhaps, If I may take the liberty). Hobbes granted me that and I'm already preparing my Euromillions prize next week. I already have the teleological thing, I really need some million euros, I'm just waiting a few details on "driving force" from Hobbes.
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PauloL wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:57 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:04 pm
1. Greta already asked that and I answered. Please check backwards (as a matter of fact, I believe you need checking many more things backwards).

2. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... aemoglobin
So? Who gives a fuck about Americans who can't spell?
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:19 am
I'm afraid there are already many threads discussing that. Keep this one clean.
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PauloL wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:08 amIt's your job demonstrate plausibility how hemoglobin evolved but you haven't so far ...
I already did explain how the seemingly astronomical odds of evolution are narrowed significantly by natural selection but you did not reply.

I will not re-post or help you find it since I'd put in a fair bit of effort so now it's your turn.

Even if there were no explanations, you may wish to contemplate the illogic of making such certain declarations just because a few randoms on a philosophy forum didn't give you the answer you wanted. I also note that you have still not done serious independent research to check the claims you make.

As for evolutionary teleology, I'm open to it - just as each life has some predictable paths there may be fractal dynamics running through the biosphere, where life on Earth as a whole has a predictable path of origin, development, maturity, decline and death. However, this is speculative. Not wise to make the assertion on a philosophy forum only backed by a scientific claim that 1) does not take into account natural selection's narrowing of odds and 2) lacks serious research.
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Greta wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:35 am
Greta, I'd never ignore you. I even complimented your stylish writings.

But Greta, I even disclose my references so that people can check. Don't accuse me of laziness.

Fractal dynamics, however speculative (who cares?), is nevertheless quite plausible and allows for teleology. So, I'm interested in that as this way only "driving force" will be missing to win my Euromillions. Actually, "driving force" is almost nothing (and Hobbes never told details about that so far anyway).

Natural selection narrowing of odds is exactly what I'm searching ever since the beginning so that I can take it into account, Greta.

Attack Davidm instead, Greta. That guy is very lazy and never explains anything new to us.

Just a comment, Greta. Those are not seemingly astronomical odds. They are supra-astronomical odds if you're talking about probabilities of 1 in 10E190 or 4x10E619 and take into account all atoms in Universe sum up 10E80 only. According to Asimov, that's virtually impossible (for the semantics connoisseurs: Asimov didn't use those words exactly. He said that's impossible period. But I think he went too far).
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I'm no fool. Charles Darwin is the most important person who ever lived and his book The Origin of Species the source of all cosmic knowledge.
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PauloL wrote: Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:48 pm I'm no fool.
But you seem to think the rest of us are. Perhaps you would have more success if you went and found yourself some proper fools.
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SUMMARY OF RECENT POSTS:

We have quite a small puzzle, just a tiny detail in animals, hemoglobin. No Evolutionaut so far could demonstrate how natural selection arranged for 141 amino-acids to be put in such a correct sequence as to produce a hemoglobin chain (or the same for the DNA counterpart if you so prefer).

We have so far been bombed by intelligence attacks by supporters of Evolutionomics, each one eventually leading to improprieties from them of all possible kind as they exhaust their array of argumentation that even includes negating science and trying semantics.

We've learned that some Evolutionauts, but not all, think evolution is teleological and driven by a force, others think it's teleological only. Still others think it's nothing. This is of capital importance because I need to win a few Euromillions.

We all have faith they'll explain how the first cell came to existence, so we also have faith they'll explain hemoglobin someday. Like renowned Evolutionauts say irrefutably in Scientific American for instance: "I think it will come". For some reason this is also heard in pornographic movies, but I concede it must be coincidental only. Given enough time, and we're talking about billions of years, everything is possible, including explaining that. We shall wait in a chair.
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