Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:56 pm
Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:34 pm
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:45 pm
Your attachment to labels and your definitions of them keeps you blind to all else.
It would be impossible to ever discuss Pythagoras' concept of the music of the spheres getting one off of the ground. The demand would be to know what it has to do with gender rights and social justice. Greta would claim iron age superstition and F4 would be insulted as an expression of habit...
But your definitions of others are not more accurate than what they are telling you about themselves. You keep talking over people... putting them into little boxes to suit your purposes... and that is not truth, Nick. That is your fabrication, and it makes it pretty much pointless to talk to you. Everything and everyone are NOT defined by your limited understanding and perspective. Why must you re-define other people despite what they are telling you? Do you think you live in a world of people who know nothing of themselves? What kind of hell that would be for you... as the only one who can see with any clarity... and the delusional extremes you would have to go to in justifying and maintaining that.
The hypothesis of my perspective is that I and the great majority of humanity reside in Plato’s cave. We live primarily by habit and imagination. The secular perspective is restricted to defending the cave perspective reacting as one level of reality. The universal perspective asserts a conscious universe with human “being" as a part of it which both involves further into creation and consciously evolves closer to the source.
I haven’t condemned anyone. Your question implies there is no reality on which our perspective can be based so we just create our own reality and compare notes. While this may be true of cave life it is not true for a universal perspective which for Plato begins with the forms and for plotinus begins with Nous.
The Simones of the world who have a universal perspective are no longer hip. Their need to experience objective truth is abandoned in favor of the imagination technology produces. This is fine for cave life but not for those who seek freedom from psychological cave restrictions. I introduce the other side and the inner need for eros. It is ridiculed. I offer the comparison of the secular and universal perspective in relation to reality. If you want to believe there is no human perspective as an expression of reality than what is produced in the cave, it is fine with me. I just support those who have come to experience that the terms perspective and reality when they are expressions of cave life are nothing but fantasy.
There are twelve essential human types and each has sub divisions. Jesus’ twelve apostles were representatives of these types. They have essentially twelve different perspectives. Each could develop and move closer to the collective soul of Man in which each type has a necessary part. For secularism these essential differences are an end. For universalism they are a beginning. This is an insult to the beast and we have experienced the ramifications of this insult on this thread.
So who is putting who into little boxes? I would say it is the secularists condemning what they don’t understand but what they call Christianity.