Belinda
The belief that we are God is indeed arguably demonic. What I had in mind is not hubris of this magnitude but more the realisation that if God does indeed exist we are His labourers. If God does not exist we still are labourers working for good, truth, and beauty.
But if Plato’s “Good” doesn’t exist, what is the reason for working for good, truth, and beauty? What is wrong with survival of the fittest which governs animal life? Plato wrote that justice is the norm for the soul. We must be abnormal
Plato realises that all theories propounded by Cephalus, Thrasymachus and Glaucon, contained one common element. That one common element was that all the them treated justice as something external "an accomplishment, an importation, or a convention, they have, none of them carried it into the soul or considered it in the place of its habitation." Plato prove that justice does not depend upon a chance, convention or upon external force. It is the right condition of the human soul by the very nature of man when seen in the fullness of his environment.
If the Good and the soul do not exist, higher values cannot exist either. There is no reason for them for animal man. Might is right.
Nick, this usage of 'imagination' i.e. 'imagination' synonymous with 'fantasy ' is a trite usage of the word 'imagination'. The really important usage of 'imagination' refers to how we men create with truth and love of truth.
Imagination may be far more influential than you are aware of
Greta wrote this about me on the second page of this topic:
Yes. "Monomania" is an excellent word in context. In philosophy forums, as with any forums (I'm also a member of a music forum) everyone has "their thing". The ones who annoy are those who keep harping about the same thing, starting numerous threads on more or less the same thing, often with some whining - bumping their agendas at the expense of more open minds.
However, the forum's "failure", ie. his banning, was due to him going a bit feral with the abusiveness and contemptuousness, persistently ignoring warnings. It was the fourth and final strike before which he'd gifted the forum with 107 of his topics, many about Plato's save, Simone's ideas and/or The Great Beast. So he had a good run before finally becoming too annoying to other members and mods who were/are just trying to talk about stuff without too much drama.
Obviously all this is untrue. Have you suffered any feral attacks or harassed by my agenda whatever that is? Is there anything against the rules to discuss Plato and others F4 called a "cast of characters?" I there anything wrong with including their ideas in the perspective of modern problems? No it isn’t against the rules but it does provoke secular intolerance against what it believes is right. This is intolerable and this annoyance must be eliminated. This doesn’t bother me but when you consider the harm done by this mentality in secular progressive education it truly is a crime against the young.
The cause of secular intolerance is imagination which demands egoistic self justification. Imagination is the cause of unnecessary fears which also provoke New Age and Religious fantasy.
The quality of imagination Einstein and others refers to easily becomes corrupted by egoism and fears and devolves conscious collective potential deeper into fantasy. It remains valuable as creative directed attention but most are content to let imagination offer consolation and imagined security. A minority will allow imagination to enable their potential for intuition by first admitting fantasy for what it is. We need them. The Great Beast prefers to eliminate them. If the young are spiritually killed in the schools, what can be better for the worship of the Great Beast than their indoctrination into the land of snowflakes where the Great Beast defines what the love of truth means to politically correct snowflakes.